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Photo: PRR Flat Car 426837 With Electrical Equipment Load
Photo: PRR Flat Car 426837 With Electrical Equipment Load An image taken in 1937 from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A230879 Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it. Description: View of switching equipment shipment on railroad cars at the Springwells Station treatment plant during construction, Detroit water supply system. Printed on front: "City of Detroit. Department of Water Supply. Division of Engineering. Shipment of switching equipment for temporary switch house from Westinghouse Elect. & Mfg. Co. Springwells Station, spec. PS-110. 4-7-31." Stamped on back: "Manning Bros., commercial photographers. 504-505 Lincoln Building. Corner State and Park Sts., Detroit, Mich." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photos: White Star Tank Cars
Photos: White Star Tank Cars Undated images from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168060 Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it. Description: View of cylindrical freight cars on railroad tracks behind chain link fence in front of unidentified refinery. Sign on cars: "Staroline gasoline is better; White Star Refining Co. quality products." Railroad tracks in foreground; factory smokestacks and storage tanks in background. Stamped on back: "Manning Bros., commercial photographers, 504-505 Lincoln building, corner State and Park Sts., Detroit, Mich." ++ https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168398 Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it. Description: View of cylindrical White Star Refining Co. tank car on railroad tracks. Sign on tank car with White Star logo: "Staroline gasoline is better." Stamped on back: "Manning Bros., commercial photographers, 504-505 Lincoln building, corner State and Park Sts., Detroit, Mich." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Chicago & Grand Trunk Livestock Car
Photo: Chicago & Grand Trunk Livestock Car An undated image from the Detroit Public Library of a link-a-pin-era car: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A149275 Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it. Description: Man stands atop railroad car with shovel; three railroad cars in front of low building; two boys stand in front of one railroad car; stacks of logs and lumber in background; painted on buildings in background: "Lumber yard, coal and wood, sash, doors & blinds." Notice the interesting trucks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar
Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar An image from the Detroit Public Library: https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A172723 Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it. Description: View of several workmen loading wooden crate into railroad car at Michigan Steel Boat Company. "From Michigan Steel Boat Co., Detroit, Mich." painted on crate. "Mather car" painted on railroad car. Handwritten on back: "Companies--Michigan Steel Boat Co., 1910." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Various Steel Industry Loads
Donald B. Valentine
Definitely a photo beyond our period given the steel I beams in the PC gon #598980. But not that the stacks of I beams have a vertical piece of scrap wood between each of them and along the sides, the purpose for which I can only wonder about except possibly to maintain that space between them for unloading purposes. But what gives with the PC car? It appears to have wood interior sheathing and fairly high sides. Then I note the rolled sheets in some sort of container devices on the two flat cars behind the I beam load. Don't know the steel industry but have never seen anything like these before. Are they something secifically designed for easy loading and unloading with a high capacity fork lift or what is their purpose? Such photos always present more questions than answers for me. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
Benjamin Hom
Don Valentine asked: "...what class is the Pennsy #532885 boxcar seen in this photo?" Class X23. Not likely to be mistaken for anything else. Ben Hom
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
Donald B. Valentine
Bruce Smith, what class is the Pennsy #532885 boxcar seen in this photo? Is the roof slope really as flat as it appears or is it just my view of it? Also forgot to note earlier folks, not the sign on the utility pole, "DANGER Do Not Drink Water Polluted" with a bottom line I cannot read but the sign has got to be a first, especially in that era. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
Donald B. Valentine
There are several htings that stand out to me in this photo. Since the tank car is the primary reason the photo has been posted let's take it first. Were the walkways for this car designed by Rube Goldberg out on a drunk or some kindergarten kid? I look at the four straps around the tank and underframe and really wonder how well they could hold things together in ANY accident, let along one in which the car was rolled over. Then I not the two 1/2 circumferential straps, one on either side of the dome to help support the walkway. Noting two nuts on the underside of each strap supporting said walkway I presume it is only two boards wide. But look at all of these pieces attached to the four circumferential and two 1/2 circumferential straps. There appear to be no rivets or bolts showing to make this connection. Could it have been done by welding at this early period? Perhaps it's the lighting and the shadows but I am really curious about this in the teens, judging by the May 1913 builders date on the Lackawanna GM class gon. And look at the gon itself! When I think of gons from this time frame the ubiquitous Pennsy G22 gons always come to mind but this Lackawanna gon appears to be constructed like a battleship in comparison! The heavy fishbelly underframe and the number and spacing of side braces shown give it a very substantially constructed look even if lumber is used for the sheathing. There must be a minimum of 15 on each side if not 16. Then there are the strap metal stake pockets bolted to the wood sheathing that always look so neat on some of the early gons. I'd love to find the blueprints for that early gon as it would make an excellent model subject. Then I scroll to the far right and look at the Reading boxcar, all steel even at this early date. This and the gon make the TKX tank car and old Pennsy boxcar look rather puny in construction to my eye. The Bettendorf T-section trucks on the gon lend to that impression as well when compared to the arch bar trucks looking like they came from the local smithy under the tack car. Perhaps a different view of things, Don Valentine
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Re: Question for Al Brown on Southern war emergency hopper
Thank you Al for the info. Did some more research online and found that a company called Rail Scale Models sells scribed wooden overlays. However they are advertised as fitting Accurail hoppers not Athearn. Someone also suggested scribing the lines. Since I have about 15 hoppers of both manufactures I think I’ll try all the methods at least once. Thanks again for the quick response. Jim Moore
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
al_brown03
The TKX bolsters sure look like Standard Tank designs. I wish one could see the YS&T bolsters a little more from the side: that "porthole" in the bolster is a Standard Tank spotting feature.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
earlyrail
Here is another tank that looks the same Howard Garner
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
Jack Mullen
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 07:35 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
See also the image below, from the Republic Steel collecion, showing ERIE stock cars apparently used for loading pig iron. And when the driver think he safely on the other side
He shouts back down the line to the man and he says I fooled you, I fooled you I got pig iron, I got pig iron I got all pig iron You just can't mention stock cars and pig iron without invoking Lonnie Donegan. Jack Mullen
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
Tony Thompson
Steve Hile wrote:
Certainly during the 1920s STC was far bigger than PTC, and we know that zPTC bought tanks from STC to put on its own underframes. But the early high-walkway tanks we are discussing are not likely to be part of that situation. They seem to me far more likely to be PTC cars. Tony Thompson
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Re: Various Steel Industry Loads
Brian Carlson
Cool photo but it’s mid-late 60’s at the earliest with EL hoppers, gothic P&LE and boxcar with the removed roofwalk. The load restraints would be different in earlier times.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Sep 21, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Various Steel Industry Loads
Jon Miller
On 9/21/2019 11:12 AM, Bob Chaparro
via Groups.Io wrote:
Also visible are loads of steel coils, beams and plates. The ends of the flats are interesting. Don't
think I have ever seen that before. Also for scenery the old
track on the left of the photo is really a neat idea. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
There was some symbiotic relationship between Pennsylvania
Tank Car Company and Standard Tank Car Company, with PTC being the older (1914
versus 1919). I had some discussions after publishing the UTLX book over
the identification of the Ohio Cities Gas Company, International Refinery tank
cars shown on page 135. It seems more likely that those cars (and the
Youngstown Sheet and Tube car being discussed) were built by PTC before STC
really got going. STC continued to use the heavy built up underframe and
tank saddle with the lowered running boards while PTC came up with a new
underframe design in the 1920's.
GATC eventually purchased both and concentrated activity at
the Sharon, PA STC plant.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:30 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car David,
My
first impression was that the frame was classic Standard Tank Car, not PTC. To
me, the bolsters scream STC. Can you clarify as to why you think it is
PTC?
Regards,
Bruce
Smith
Auburn,
AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io
<jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:44 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110 is the type of car that Pennsylvania Tank Car
was building in the early-mid Teens. The car behind it appear to be an early (pre-1917) GATC tank. David Thompson
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Various Steel Industry Loads
Various Steel Industry Loads An undated photo from the Ohio Memory website: https://ohiomemory.org/digital/collection/p15005coll10/id/2993/rec/13 Description: "Ladles loaded on train cars for shipment made by the William B. Pollock Company." Also visible are loads of steel coils, beams and plates. And my thanks to Claus Schlund for finding the Ohio Memory website. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Standard Car Co.??
Dave Lawler
Thank you to everyone who aimed me in the right direction for Standard Car Co.
I've been in contact with Don Valentine and sent an order for some half door conversion kits this morning. Fenton that is a great looking GTW car. Best regards, Dave Lawler
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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car
David,
My first impression was that the frame was classic Standard Tank Car, not PTC. To me, the bolsters scream STC. Can you clarify as to why you think it is PTC?
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:44 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110 is the type of car that Pennsylvania Tank Car was building in
the early-mid Teens. The car behind it appear to be an early (pre-1917) GATC tank. David Thompson
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Re: Monon Box Cars
al_brown03
Hi Armand,
A few published photos of CIL 9000-9449: all have 6' 7-panel Superior doors. The '91, '01, and '05 MM articles are kitbashes by Mont Switzer. CIL 9157, 9294: MRG 9-10/84 p 11 CIL 9147: Dolzall, "Monon", p 99 CIL 9179: MM 12/91 pp 58-61 CIL 9046, 9427: MM 9/01 pp 50-53 CIL 9271: MM 12/95 p41 CIL 9094: Bowden, "Modoc", p 146 CIL 9225, 9283: MM 11/05 pp 59-62. Best, AL B.
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