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Re: Photo: CB&Q Boxcar 134010

RICH CHAPIN
 

Alum treated the surface water to removed solids, makes the water clear.

Rich Chapin

Re: Photos: White Star Tank Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob and friends,

Also note the small lettering on the left door, "Unlock this door from inside". I assume that means that the right-hand door could be opened from the outside first.



On 9/22/2019 8:55 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Another example of automobile loading. Note placard "UNLOAD FROM THIS SIDE"

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A154147/datastream/IMAGE/view

Bob Witt

Re: Harvesting Ice from a Lake

Donald B. Valentine
 

If someone is seriously interested in ice harvesting it is still done on one day in February each winter on the pond
at the center of Brookfield, Vermont, the same pond with the floating bridge, using the same equipment that was
used in years past. Many small country towns in Northern New England had an ice house on such ponds, especially
if there were a creamery in town that shipped milk by rail. The foundations of an ice house can even be found on 
Towner's Pond in Melrose, Mass. barely outside of Boston. We had one in Morrisville, VT between the Randolph Rd.
and Ward's Pond that lasted into the 1970's though it had not been used for years. Even the pond is now gone as
it's first purpose was to power Leon Ward's sawmill. After he passed away the dam was breached and a family of
Great Blue Herons that had lived there since I was in grade school lost their habitat. 

The Rutland RR. had a large ice house in ALburgh, VT on the shore of Lake Champlain not far from the site of
the station in Alburgh where ice was cut and stored for years as well as shipped to other railroad owned ice houses
on the line. The conveyor system for moving the ice from the lake to the ice house was quite elaborate, judging from
the blueprints of it that I have.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi folks, 

    Can't recall, when did Mather really get it's start? This is the first Mather car I've seen that has not utilized
commonly available steel channels, angles and such. It appears that they were building wood framed cars in 
much the same way but from how early a date?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Photos: White Star Tank Cars

David
 

Well, those are some oddballs. Double straps at one end, single on the other. The opposed safety valves on the dome are common for STC and PTC, but the underframe isn't either of them. I wonder if these are Allegheny Steel Tank Car?

David Thompson

Re: Harvesting Ice from a Lake

Tim O'Connor
 

My hometown of Sterling MA had an ice house on the B&M line, and the ice was harvested from the
local water reservoir ponds. I think this was quite common in the 19th century.

On 9/22/2019 9:04 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Four photos of workmen harvesting ice from a ,lake.

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A147968/datastream/IMAGE/view

Caption: Four pictures of men cutting and transporting ice off of lake. Building looks unfinished. One shows ice being loaded on boxcar. Handwritten on mat back: "Ice house 'Lake Station' 1915. Claire County, Mich., P.M.R.R., Cranberry Lake."

There are lots of railroad freight car stuff on this site. Try different search terms.

Bob Witt
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

David
 

As for Pennsylvania Tank Car, I have seen start dates of?? 1911 and 1914, both without any solid attribution.?? There are some indications that they used built-up tank bolsters on some cars, but I have never seen a confirmed PTCCo car with anything like what we are discussing here.

I compiled some info from Pennsylvania Tank Line's ORER entries the last time this topic came up:

Pennsylvania Tank Line first appears in the February 1912 ORER with a picture of PTX 1001:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=QRs6AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA522

Their entry used a picture of PTX 1061 by December 1912:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=tboMAQAAIAAJ&pg=GBS.PA998

In May 1915, the picture changed to PTX 1091. Decent picture here:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=ZPg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA849

The change to the "new" underframe appeared on PTX 3500 in May 1917:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=O_c4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA915

The more familiar cast tank saddles seem to have started circa 1918.

David Thompson

Re: Photos: White Star Tank Cars

bigfourroad
 

Packard -- ask the man who owns one.  What a shame ti kise this company.

Chris

-- 
J Chris Rooney CFA
Vanness Company

Email: Vannessco@...
Web: www.VannessCompany.com

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Ken Roth
 

Yup, Tony. Was trying to go from memory and forgot the 7!!  It's tough being old ....  thanks for correcting me.  We SP nuts don't want do propagate misinformation.  BTW the reason I'm particularly interested in this car is that I have a picture of one spotted at the Medford, Oregon depot circa 1950.  The only picture I know of this class running on the Siskiyou line.
Ken Roth
 

Harvesting Ice from a Lake

rwitt_2000
 

Four photos of workmen harvesting ice from a ,lake. 

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A147968/datastream/IMAGE/view

Caption: Four pictures of men cutting and transporting ice off of lake. Building looks unfinished. One shows ice being loaded on boxcar. Handwritten on mat back: "Ice house 'Lake Station' 1915. Claire County, Mich., P.M.R.R., Cranberry Lake."

There are lots of railroad freight car stuff on this site. Try different search terms.

Bob Witt

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Richard Townsend
 

Nothing definitive regarding the SP cars, but in the August 2001 Mainline Modeler there's a Nick Muff article on KCS baggage and express box cars 400-403 with drawings beginning on page 41. As seems logical to me, the steam line runs essentially as a mirror image of the train line.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Roth <krowth3249@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2019 3:45 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Steam line placement on express box cars

I can wing it, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of drawings for how to run a wrapped steam line under express box cars, specifically an SP 5000-5049 series BX-50-24.  I'd settle for drawings for a similar AAR ACR box car from another road.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth

Re: Photos: White Star Tank Cars

rwitt_2000
 

Another example of automobile loading. Note placard "UNLOAD FROM THIS SIDE"

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A154147/datastream/IMAGE/view

Bob Witt

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


The BE-50-24 steam line is not visible from the side in any photos that I have seen
so I assume that it must be threaded through the cross bearers alongside the center sill.
It has to cross the center sill at some location but it doesn't appear to drop below the
center sill... somewhat of a mystery.

Tim O'Connor




On 9/22/2019 7:39 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Ken Roth wrote:

I can wing it, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of drawings for how to run a wrapped steam line under express box cars, specifically an SP 5000-5049 series BX-50-24.  I'd settle for drawings for a similar AAR ACR box car from another road.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Can't help with the steam line location, Ken, but the SP BX-50-24 cars were 5700-5749.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Roth wrote:

I can wing it, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of drawings for how to run a wrapped steam line under express box cars, specifically an SP 5000-5049 series BX-50-24.  I'd settle for drawings for a similar AAR ACR box car from another road.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Can't help with the steam line location, Ken, but the SP BX-50-24 cars were 5700-5749.

Tony Thompson



Montpelier Coal Treatle

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

Last month we were talking about coal trestles, and I mentioned a surviving one at the Montpelier estate near Orange, Virginia. This actually belong to the estate, rather than the Southern Railway. The estate also owned the small freight house on the same private spur, as well as the depot. Private ownership is probably the reason the three structures are still there (as is the track, though not connected to the Norfolk Southern mainline).

I don't have a photo of the other side. You can see that there is an open section at the end of the trestle, and a closed section downramp (to the right). Given how short the open area is, I suspect that the closed section may be closed on the opposite side. The brush was too thick there to see much, but I plan to return this winter and try for more photos.

I do have two other views of the trestle, but I thought this single one was enough.

I hope this doesn't get me in trouble with the Sheriff, but I think industries served by freight cars are within the mandate of our group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Steam line placement on express box cars

Ken Roth
 

I can wing it, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of drawings for how to run a wrapped steam line under express box cars, specifically an SP 5000-5049 series BX-50-24.  I'd settle for drawings for a similar AAR ACR box car from another road.  Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth

Re: IM SP stock car wanted

Richard Townsend
 

Yes, the Red Caboose SP car now under the IM umbrella.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2019 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IM SP stock car wanted

Intermountain did a Santa Fe stock car and Red Caboose did a SP car. Do you mean the RC car? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Sep 22, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

I am looking for an Intermountain SP stock car. Please contact me off-list if you have one to sell me or know of a hobby shop that does.

richtownsend <at> netscape <dot> net

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

Re: IM SP stock car wanted

Brian Carlson
 

Intermountain did a Santa Fe stock car and Red Caboose did a SP car. Do you mean the RC car? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Sep 22, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

I am looking for an Intermountain SP stock car. Please contact me off-list if you have one to sell me or know of a hobby shop that does.

richtownsend <at> netscape <dot> net

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

Re: Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Looks like there is another shot of this scene from a different angle at the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 1:06 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar

Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar

An image from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A172723

Click on the image and hold to temporarily enlarge it.

Description: View of several workmen loading wooden crate into railroad car at Michigan Steel Boat Company. "From Michigan Steel Boat Co., Detroit, Mich." painted on crate. "Mather car" painted on railroad car. Handwritten on back: "Companies--Michigan Steel Boat Co., 1910."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

IM SP stock car wanted

Richard Townsend
 

I am looking for an Intermountain SP stock car. Please contact me off-list if you have one to sell me or know of a hobby shop that does.

richtownsend <at> netscape <dot> net

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR