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Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Donald B. Valentine
 

Thank you Todd. That's what I was thinking too and made most famous by Johnny Cash's rendition of it on
Sam Phillips Sun label.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

David
 

There were 500 cars built in 1948. The ends look like ACF proprietary ends.
If so, I wonder if the roofs also used the ACF proprietary design.
SAL 23000-23499 were built at Mount Vernon in 6/48, so probably not.

David Thompson

Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

Allan Smith
 

SAL 23000-23499 had Murphy raised panel roofs without raised panels under the running board laterals.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 02:20:35 PM PDT, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...> wrote:


> There were 500 cars built in 1948. The ends look like ACF proprietary
> ends.
> If so, I wonder if the roofs also used the ACF proprietary design.

SAL 23000-23499 were built at Mount Vernon in 6/48, so probably not.

David Thompson




Buy War Bonds!

John Barry
 

Folks, 

Peter Aue created original artwork and made a set of Buy War Bonds decals for me a couple years ago.  With the recent discussion we have teamed to offer HO versions of the slogan applied to 368 Bx-36 rebuilds.  If you would like to add this iconic billboard slogan to one of your STMFC freight cars, contact me OFF LIST at NORTHBAYLINES at ATT dot NET before 10 October with how many sets you would like. 

 Inline image

The decal set will include three copies (two plus a spare) of the slogan seen above (in gray for illustration, the decal is printed in in white).  This is only the slogan, as an add on to your choice of commercially available decals.  Cost is $3.00 per set, postage paid in the US.  The decals will be printed to order in Germany and delivered mid-November by First Class mail.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

passcars
 

The SP drawing for steam line application and conditions for B-50-24 BX box express cars is SF-33427.  I may have a copy. Alternative is the Green Library at Stanford University, California.
Steve Peery

Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,
 
Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.
 
 
I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

Tim O'Connor
 

David

Yes, I see my notes show them with rectangular panel roofs

the question is, who made the ends? did MV produce ends like that?

On 9/24/2019 5:20 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
There were 500 cars built in 1948. The ends look like ACF proprietary ends.
If so, I wonder if the roofs also used the ACF proprietary design.
SAL 23000-23499 were built at Mount Vernon in 6/48, so probably not.

David Thompson
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

Charlie Vlk
 

Claus-

The link doesn’t seem to work.

Thanks,
Charlie

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 10:25 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

 

Hi,

 

Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.

 

 

I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

If you can scan and share it, please do! I have a couple of Sunshine kits to build.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/25/2019 1:46 AM, passcars via Groups.Io wrote:
The SP drawing for steam line application and conditions for B-50-24 BX box express cars is SF-33427.  I may have a copy. Alternative is the Green Library at Stanford University, California.
Steve Peery

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

Eric Hansmann
 

That is the as-built 1905 lettering presentation. 

Sweet!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.
 
 
I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

Re: Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

Armand Premo
 

Great.Was that Laurel and Hardy standing there ? Armand Premo

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 12:19 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
That is the as-built 1905 lettering presentation. 

Sweet!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.
 
 
I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

Re: Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

Charlie Vlk
 

Claus-

The link worked from Eric’s post.  Must have been all the STMFC people all viewing it at once…

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 11:19 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

 

That is the as-built 1905 lettering presentation. 

 

Sweet!

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.

 

 

I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Yes, I see my notes show them with rectangular panel roofs

the question is, who made the ends? did MV produce ends like that?


Tim,
The Seaboard diagram for 23000-23499 denotes the ends as..…4” deep corrugations; 5/16” top & 1/4” bottom sections; Mt. Vernon Drwg. No. 508-D-18895.

Thus, it’s apparent these ends were designed by the builder Mount Vernon Car Manufacturing Co. It’s doubtful that MVC produced dies for manufacturing them. More likely the ends were a specialty manufactured & supplied by Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing Co. along with the Murphy roofs. 

I’m unaware of any other house cars using ends of this unique 4-4 MVC Carbuilder design, which lack the intermediate minor corrugations that were pressed into the common 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends used on thousands of box & auto cars built from 1945 to 1948 and extending into the 1950s for some railroads. 

There’s always reasoning behind making decisions that would seemingly require spending money for new dies to producing these ends. In this case it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me why one series of 500 cars would use ends of this MVC Carbuilder design when the normal 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends were commonly used in 1948. This was a transitional time when SREM began producing what we typically refer to as the “r+3-4” version Improved Dreadnaught End with the top corrugation being a 3” deep pressed rectangular shape & the lower 7 corrugations & intermediate minor corrugations same as before.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

O Fenton Wells
 

Gentlemen, Chad Boas makes the ends, doors and side sill supports for this car.  Just use an IM 10'-6" IH car and his parts do the rest.
Fenton Wells 

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 11:51 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
David

Yes, I see my notes show them with rectangular panel roofs

the question is, who made the ends? did MV produce ends like that?



On 9/24/2019 5:20 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
>> There were 500 cars built in 1948. The ends look like ACF proprietary
>> ends.
>> If so, I wonder if the roofs also used the ACF proprietary design.
>
> SAL 23000-23499 were built at Mount Vernon in 6/48, so probably not.
>
> David Thompson


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Re: Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Worked for me. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Sep 25, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:



Claus-

The link doesn’t seem to work.

Thanks,
Charlie

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 10:25 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247

 

Hi,

 

Some may enjoy this image of boxcar PRR 100247, PRR class XL.

 

 

I don't think I have ever seen this particular arrangement of lettering before on PRR equipment.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Yes Steve:

Please share this drawing if possible.  I have been on an underframe tear lately and this is one I need.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 9/25/19 6:18 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam line placement on express box cars

Steve

If you can scan and share it, please do! I have a couple of Sunshine kits to build.

Tim O'Connor


On 9/25/2019 1:46 AM, passcars via Groups.Io wrote:

The SP drawing for steam line application and conditions for B-50-24 BX box express cars is SF-33427.  I may have a copy. Alternative is the Green Library at Stanford University, California.
Steve Peery

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

How can one determine the plan number for various SP boxcars?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "passcars via Groups.Io" <PASSCARS@...>
Date: 9/24/19 7:46 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Steam line placement on express box cars

The SP drawing for steam line application and conditions for B-50-24 BX box express cars is SF-33427.  I may have a copy. Alternative is the Green Library at Stanford University, California.
Steve Peery

Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

Bill Kelly
 


Ed,
What does the Seaboard diagram say about the roof on the 23000-23499 series?
Thanks,
Bill Kelly
 
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:06:22 -0500 "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...> writes:


 

On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Yes, I see my notes show them with rectangular panel roofs

the question is, who made the ends? did MV produce ends like that?


Tim,
The Seaboard diagram for 23000-23499 denotes the ends as..…4” deep corrugations; 5/16” top & 1/4” bottom sections; Mt. Vernon Drwg. No. 508-D-18895.

Thus, it’s apparent these ends were designed by the builder Mount Vernon Car Manufacturing Co. It’s doubtful that MVC produced dies for manufacturing them. More likely the ends were a specialty manufactured & supplied by Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing Co. along with the Murphy roofs. 

I’m unaware of any other house cars using ends of this unique 4-4 MVC Carbuilder design, which lack the intermediate minor corrugations that were pressed into the common 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends used on thousands of box & auto cars built from 1945 to 1948 and extending into the 1950s for some railroads. 

There’s always reasoning behind making decisions that would seemingly require spending money for new dies to producing these ends. In this case it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me why one series of 500 cars would use ends of this MVC Carbuilder design when the normal 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends were commonly used in 1948. This was a transitional time when SREM began producing what we typically refer to as the “r+3-4” version Improved Dreadnaught End with the top corrugation being a 3” deep pressed rectangular shape & the lower 7 corrugations & intermediate minor corrugations same as before.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins
_._,_._,_
 


Re: Cool DD SAL 40' AAR box car

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 25, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Bill Kelly <wbkelly@...> wrote:

What does the Seaboard diagram say about the roof on the 23000-23499 series?

Bill,
From the diagram….No. 14 ga. C.B. galv. steel sheets & No. 11 ga. galv. saddles; SREM Co.

Several good photos clearly illustrate the roofs were of the Murphy rectangular raised-panel type. 

Seaboard diagrams of later box cars having diagonal panel roofs are so-stated. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

mrvant@rogers.com
 

Here is a scan of the underside diagram for a CN wood express reefer. It’s from Sylvan models and is looking from underneath the car up. The fat pipe on one side is steam and the two smaller ones are main air and signal. There would also be a retaining valve line running from the main valve to the end of the car.  CP wood express reefers had similar piping but the air tanks were placed differently. The pipes crossed the undersill through a slit part way up from floor.