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Re: Alcoa Covered Hoppers

Steve and Barb Hile
 

To add.  The reporting marks change to AQCX at some point.  Both marks are connected to Aluminum Ore Company, a subsidiary of ALCOA.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:17 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Alcoa Covered Hoppers

In the late 1930's Pullman Standard built 85 interesting large covered hopper cars for Aluminum Corporation of America, AOCX 1200-1284, for alumina loading.  These large cars had 10 bottom hoppers (5 on each side of the center sill) and 6 rectangular hatches on the roof. 
 
Has anyone seen a photo of one of these cars?  Source?  On-line?
 
They appear to be big, like a carbon black car.
 
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
 
Steve Hile

Re: B-50-24 steam lines

Paul Woods
 

Thanks for posting these drawings just the same, Norm; they are still educational.

Regards
Paul

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Ken Roth
 

Tim and others.  I am building my Bx 50-24 from a Sunshine kit and ran into a couple of irregularities in the dimensions which I decided I couldn't live with.  I don't have time right at the moment to explain in detail, but I will within the next few days.  I will move that discussion to the resin group since its more on topic for discussion there.  Anyway, don't go off gluing anything just yet.... at least make sure you study Tony Thompson's SP freight cars, vol 4 and get out your ruler.

Ken Roth

NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
want to add this IM NP reefer to my reefer collection.
Checked the group archives and could find Mr. Hendrickson's remarks about these cars. He mentioned that the lower 91XXX numbers from 1947 did NOT posess the 'Main Street' phrase. Later cars did have it.
I can take it off, no problem, but what about the roof? I've read somewhere it should be silver? Or was that the case on the R25 clones? See picture of the 1947 R23 clone. Thanks for your help.
best regards, Fred Jansz

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Rufus Cone
 

Before you take it off, await further replies.  I believe the lettering change you described took place _during_ production of that group.

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Bozeman, MT

Re: B-50-24 steam lines

 

Paul,

All this talk reminded me that i color coded an underframe drawing of a Pullman troop car to help me sort it out.  See attached, red is the steam line.  Because it's hot  :.]

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

Offered: HO IM Northern Pacific R-40-23 steel reefer "Main Street"

Andy Carlson
 



Look what I happen to have!  For those interested, I have a new, old stock, Intermountain HO reefer kit, factory painted in Northern Pacific arched "Northern Pacific" with "Main street of the Northwest" slogan below the small monad herald. As built, New date stencilled as 9-47. NP# 91160, Intermountain # 40521-07. Though new, undisturbed new condition, this factory decorated HO kit has some light shelf dusting on the box.

My kit is a bit more orange than these IM site pix.

Offered for $25, shipping to the US by 1st class mail included. Contact me off-list with questions at <midcentury@...>

I have two photos from Intermountain's web site. This car offered is a factory decorated kit.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson

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Re: NP R23 clone reefer

npin53
 

The black roof is correct. The steel galvanized running boards should just have a little overspray on them. I have a builder's photo, and 91072 does have the Mainstreet slogan.

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

npin53
 

Here.

Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

passcars
 

With further digging, the steam line location may be illustrated on the brake arrangement drawing SF-33539 which has a different drawing number from the one for the Overnight cars.  The Overnight drawing shows the air brake piping locations, so my best guess is that the brake arrangement drawing for the BX cars possibly shows the steam line location.  The SF-33427 drawing only shows the application of the steam line end valves.

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I have always been skeptical of the yellow paint applied to NP R-40-23 models. All
of the color photos I have of NP ice reefers after 1940 are a light orange-yellow color
like the attached photo. But many models have been produced with yellow paint.

Are there any good COLOR photos of these R-40-23 cars when they were new, or reasonably new?




On 9/26/2019 5:46 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Hi all,
want to add this IM NP reefer to my reefer collection.
Checked the group archives and could find Mr. Hendrickson's remarks about these cars. He mentioned that the lower 91XXX numbers from 1947 did NOT posess the 'Main Street' phrase. Later cars did have it.
I can take it off, no problem, but what about the roof? I've read somewhere it should be silver? Or was that the case on the R25 clones? See picture of the 1947 R23 clone. Thanks for your help.
best regards, Fred Jansz

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tony Thompson
 

I agree with Tim, and I have asked previously on this list about NP reefer color, especially whether and when it changed from yellow to light orange. No answer.
Tony Thompson 


On Sep 26, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have always been skeptical of the yellow paint applied to NP R-40-23 models. All
of the color photos I have of NP ice reefers after 1940 are a light orange-yellow color
like the attached photo. But many models have been produced with yellow paint.

Are there any good COLOR photos of these R-40-23 cars when they were new, or reasonably new?




On 9/26/2019 5:46 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Hi all,
want to add this IM NP reefer to my reefer collection.
Checked the group archives and could find Mr. Hendrickson's remarks about these cars. He mentioned that the lower 91XXX numbers from 1947 did NOT posess the 'Main Street' phrase. Later cars did have it.
I can take it off, no problem, but what about the roof? I've read somewhere it should be silver? Or was that the case on the R25 clones? See picture of the 1947 R23 clone. Thanks for your help.
best regards, Fred Jansz

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Steam line placement on express box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


It's clear from photos that the steam line was located above the brake rods and rigging,
close to the center sill. And from the drawings it seems apparent that the steam line was
not threaded through the cross bearers. This photo of my Dad's (attached) is the best view
I have of the underside of the cars. I'm guessing the steam line crossed under the center
sill somewhere in the vicinity of the middle of the car.




On 9/26/2019 7:26 PM, passcars via Groups.Io wrote:
With further digging, the steam line location may be illustrated on the brake arrangement drawing SF-33539 which has a different drawing number from the one for the Overnight cars.  The Overnight drawing shows the air brake piping locations, so my best guess is that the brake arrangement drawing for the BX cars possibly shows the steam line location.  The SF-33427 drawing only shows the application of the steam line end valves.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

SOLD: HO IM Northern Pacific R-40-23 steel reefer "Main Street"

Andy Carlson
 


I have had 5 requests for this NP Reefer. It is being sold to the 1st responder.
Thanks, STMFC
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Look what I happen to have!  For those interested, I have a new, old stock, Intermountain HO reefer kit, factory painted in Northern Pacific arched "Northern Pacific" with "Main street of the Northwest" slogan below the small monad herald. As built, New date stencilled as 9-47. NP# 91160, Intermountain # 40521-07. Though new, undisturbed new condition, this factory decorated HO kit has some light shelf dusting on the box.

My kit is a bit more orange than these IM site pix.


Offered for $25, shipping to the US by 1st class mail included. Contact me off-list with questions at <midcentury@...>

I have two photos from Intermountain's web site. This car offered is a factory decorated kit.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson

Inline image

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Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tom Madden
 

Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Greg Martin
 

Interesting subject as I just founx the original master for this car just last weekend.  

Greg Martin 



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP R23 clone reefer

Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden

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Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a surprising number of color shots of PFE post-1950 repaints (two B&W heralds) that
show BLACK ends and possibly black roofs as well on some cars.

Intermountain did later releases of the NP steel reefers in what I thought was a reasonably
good rendition of the NP "yellowish orange". Model photos taken with a flash can definitely
affect the color and maybe that's why the models appear to be yellow?

Tim



On 9/26/2019 11:02 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks guys.
Found the answer:
"The slogan came into use in 1947 early in the production of the R-40-23 clones.
The first 30 or 40 of the NP cones were delivered without the slogan, while the rest were delivered with them".

About the color;
Looks like the 'North Coast Ltd'-car  is a 1950 R25-clone with slightly more orangish-yellow and RED ends & blk roof.
NP might have switched from yellow on the R23's to more orange on the R25's?
The IM picture IMHO is a bit too bright, but this could be light conditions.
Later IM cars I've seen are less bright, but these could be the R25 clones w. NC slogan

I ran the prototype pictures through Photoshop and you can see #72 is brighter than the later R25 clones (the white of the Nomad logo being the reference).
That said, the PFE car at right is defenitely orange.
cheers, Fred Jansz

npin53: thanks for posting that gorgeous picture!
Ran it through Photoshop and now have my doubts about the roof being black.
Ends yes, defenitely, but roof seems red to me... compared to the black ends.


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

Here's the larger version of the PS'd NP91072.
Compare the color of the hatch isolation with roof and ends; roof has a different hue.
Now the Q is: who has a picture of such a reefer without the slogan?
Must be below 91040 I guess.
Fred Jansz

Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Fred,

My notes say it's not a PFE reefer with the NP reefer, but an MDT reefer.
But I don't know where I came up with that... But PFE and MDT oranges were
pretty close in any case.



On 9/27/2019 2:06 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Thanks guys.
Found the answer:
"The slogan came into use in 1947 early in the production of the R-40-23 clones.
The first 30 or 40 of the NP cones were delivered without the slogan, while the rest were delivered with them".

About the color;
Looks like the 'North Coast Ltd'-car  is a 1950 R25-clone with slightly more orangish-yellow and RED ends & blk roof.
NP might have switched from yellow on the R23's to more orange on the R25's?
The IM picture IMHO is a bit too bright, but this could be light conditions.
Later IM cars I've seen are less bright, but these could be the R25 clones w. NC slogan

I ran the prototype pictures through Photoshop and you can see #72 is brighter than the later R25 clones (the white of the Nomad logo being the reference).
That said, the PFE car at right is defenitely orange.
cheers, Fred Jansz

npin53: thanks for posting that gorgeous picture!
Ran it through Photoshop and now have my doubts about the roof being black.
Ends yes, defenitely, but roof seems red to me... compared to the black ends.


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Sterling, Massachusetts