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1944 AAR Boxcars

Bob Chapman
 

Sitting in the stash are several undec 1944 AAR (10'6", 4-4 improved dreadnaught end) boxcar kits from C&BT. Hard to imagine they have been there 30 years!


The carbodies are nicely executed -- a good base for prototype model detail addition. I'd like to bring these kits to life, but am running into a surprising lack of coverage of prototype information on this series of AAR prototypes. I'm aware of the following:  


Richard Hendrickson's 1989 series in RMJ -- thumbnail photos, minimal caption info.

RPCyc -- photos of a few prototypes in their Boxcar Painting and Lettering series.

Ted Culotta's Steam Era Boxcars book -- a few photos.


What I'm looking for is RPCyc-type coverage of the 1944 AAR 10'6" 4-4 improved-dreadnaught series:


1. A listing of the prototype roads which owned them

2. Specs for a road's choice of door width, number of side panels, running board, handbrake, etc.

3. Good photos


I'll welcome any help you can point me to -- a comprehensive article on the series would be ideal, but articles on a specific road's prototype can also help. Hopefully I haven't missed a totally obvious resource!


Thanks,

Bob Chapman 

 



Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi folks, I agree that the ends look black and the roof red to me but the white in the monad herald b may seem
"whiter" in the newer herald only because there is more white in the larger size herald. I'm not convinced it is
different but may only appear to be. YMMV.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: SP freight train

Paul Doggett
 

Johannes
Your welcome
Paul Doggett

On 27 Sep 2019, at 21:11, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Many thanks for sharing, Paul.

Johannes

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Johannes
The AC9 is sunset the SE4 is Balboa.

Paul Doggett
On 27 Sep 2019, at 20:50, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Nice Clips and beautiful trains! Are the engines from Sunset, at least the AC-9?

Greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Several kits among these cars
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Re: SP freight train

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks for sharing, Paul.

Johannes

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Johannes
The AC9 is sunset the SE4 is Balboa.

Paul Doggett
On 27 Sep 2019, at 20:50, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Nice Clips and beautiful trains! Are the engines from Sunset, at least the AC-9?

Greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Several kits among these cars
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Re: SP freight train

Paul Doggett
 

Johannes
The AC9 is sunset the SE4 is Balboa.

Paul Doggett

On 27 Sep 2019, at 20:50, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Nice Clips and beautiful trains! Are the engines from Sunset, at least the AC-9?

Greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 um 20:37 Uhr
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Several kits among these cars
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





Re: SP freight train

vapeurchapelon
 

Nice Clips and beautiful trains! Are the engines from Sunset, at least the AC-9?

Greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 um 20:37 Uhr
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Several kits among these cars
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Re: SP sugar beets

Paul Doggett
 

Cheers Claus 

Paul Doggett 


On 27 Sep 2019, at 20:07, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,
 
Very nice video!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SP sugar beets

SE4 on Sugar beet transfer job Detail Associates kits a couple are kit bashed with reverse dreadnought ends.
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿




Re: SP sugar beets

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Paul,
 
Very nice video!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SP sugar beets

SE4 on Sugar beet transfer job Detail Associates kits a couple are kit bashed with reverse dreadnought ends.
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿




SP sugar beets

Paul Doggett
 

SE4 on Sugar beet transfer job Detail Associates kits a couple are kit bashed with reverse dreadnought ends.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


SP freight train

Paul Doggett
 

Several kits among these cars
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

npin53
 

The car color was called Chrome Yellow. I always try to match it to school bus yellow. Testers does have a chrome Yellow in its product line.

The 1949 built NP reefers with the diagonal panel roofs, were bare galvanized with brown ends. 

As for the 1947 cars, mine will be black until someone proves it otherwise, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Black car cement reflected light different than paint.


Aaron Gjermundson


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Hmmm, in the photo, the tone of the roof looks pretty close to the tone of the red in the NP herald.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced the roof wasn't black.
Maybe not even red, but could it have been silver-gray?
Take a look at this enlargement.
Hope someone can find a color picture of a similar or earlier car.

cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Fred,

My notes say it's not a PFE reefer with the NP reefer, but an MDT reefer.
But I don't know where I came up with that... But PFE and MDT oranges were
pretty close in any case.



On 9/27/2019 2:06 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Thanks guys.
Found the answer:
"The slogan came into use in 1947 early in the production of the R-40-23 clones.
The first 30 or 40 of the NP cones were delivered without the slogan, while the rest were delivered with them".

About the color;
Looks like the 'North Coast Ltd'-car  is a 1950 R25-clone with slightly more orangish-yellow and RED ends & blk roof.
NP might have switched from yellow on the R23's to more orange on the R25's?
The IM picture IMHO is a bit too bright, but this could be light conditions.
Later IM cars I've seen are less bright, but these could be the R25 clones w. NC slogan

I ran the prototype pictures through Photoshop and you can see #72 is brighter than the later R25 clones (the white of the Nomad logo being the reference).
That said, the PFE car at right is defenitely orange.
cheers, Fred Jansz

npin53: thanks for posting that gorgeous picture!
Ran it through Photoshop and now have my doubts about the roof being black.
Ends yes, defenitely, but roof seems red to me... compared to the black ends.


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Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

Here's the larger version of the PS'd NP91072.
Compare the color of the hatch isolation with roof and ends; roof has a different hue.
Now the Q is: who has a picture of such a reefer without the slogan?
Must be below 91040 I guess.
Fred Jansz


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks guys.
Found the answer:
"The slogan came into use in 1947 early in the production of the R-40-23 clones.
The first 30 or 40 of the NP cones were delivered without the slogan, while the rest were delivered with them".

About the color;
Looks like the 'North Coast Ltd'-car  is a 1950 R25-clone with slightly more orangish-yellow and RED ends & blk roof.
NP might have switched from yellow on the R23's to more orange on the R25's?
The IM picture IMHO is a bit too bright, but this could be light conditions.
Later IM cars I've seen are less bright, but these could be the R25 clones w. NC slogan

I ran the prototype pictures through Photoshop and you can see #72 is brighter than the later R25 clones (the white of the Nomad logo being the reference).
That said, the PFE car at right is defenitely orange.
cheers, Fred Jansz

npin53: thanks for posting that gorgeous picture!
Ran it through Photoshop and now have my doubts about the roof being black.
Ends yes, defenitely, but roof seems red to me... compared to the black ends.



Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a surprising number of color shots of PFE post-1950 repaints (two B&W heralds) that
show BLACK ends and possibly black roofs as well on some cars.

Intermountain did later releases of the NP steel reefers in what I thought was a reasonably
good rendition of the NP "yellowish orange". Model photos taken with a flash can definitely
affect the color and maybe that's why the models appear to be yellow?

Tim



On 9/26/2019 11:02 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden

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Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Greg Martin
 

Interesting subject as I just founx the original master for this car just last weekend.  

Greg Martin 



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP R23 clone reefer

Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden

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Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

Tom Madden
 

Here are two WestRail reefers I started over 25 years ago but never finished. Followed Richard's instructions for paint & lettering. The cars are pretty crude by today's standards but Richard called for the same paint on both the PFE and NP versions IIRC - Floquil SP Daylight Orange.

Tom Madden


SOLD: HO IM Northern Pacific R-40-23 steel reefer "Main Street"

Andy Carlson
 


I have had 5 requests for this NP Reefer. It is being sold to the 1st responder.
Thanks, STMFC
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Look what I happen to have!  For those interested, I have a new, old stock, Intermountain HO reefer kit, factory painted in Northern Pacific arched "Northern Pacific" with "Main street of the Northwest" slogan below the small monad herald. As built, New date stencilled as 9-47. NP# 91160, Intermountain # 40521-07. Though new, undisturbed new condition, this factory decorated HO kit has some light shelf dusting on the box.

My kit is a bit more orange than these IM site pix.


Offered for $25, shipping to the US by 1st class mail included. Contact me off-list with questions at <midcentury@...>

I have two photos from Intermountain's web site. This car offered is a factory decorated kit.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson





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