Re: Covered Hopper ID
The car in your photo is a Columbian Carbon ACF hopper of the type offered by the three different sources - representing the cars before they were all rebuilt to increase their capacity. There are no models of the rebuilt cars. Carbon black was produced in factories that burned natural gas and collected the carbon soot. I've attached a photo from the 2007 Naperville meet of a model of a facility that was built in west Texas.
On 9/29/2019 11:05 AM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm curious about the covered hopper in the scan attached (hopefully). Image is on the Santa Fe in Medicine Lodge, KS 1952. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: NP R23 clone reefer
vapeurchapelon
With this portion magnified - as odd as it certainly is, I can't deny to think that there is just a small black stripe at the roof top end, maybe 4 - 6 inches broad. Please see attached image section where I placed some red dots and compare with the original.
If that is complete bogus I apologize.
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. September 2019 um 14:34 Uhr
Von: "Fred Jansz" <fred@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP R23 clone reefer My last contribution to this thread:
- If the base color of the roof was black, why would overspray on the runboard be light gray (compared to the black of the ends)? - Or is it the anti-slip granulate we see as 'overspray' on the runboard? - the ends & hardware show as pure black in the picture. - the hatches show us 2 different hues of gray: around and under the lettering and on the rest of the hatch These 2 are significantly different, see picture and Photoshop measurement. (BTW: I can't believe the paint & lettering were added OVER the granulate, this part of the hatch was masked while adding the granulate). - Meaning the original roof paint is showing where the hatch-lettering can be seen. This also differs significantly from the black on the tackboard, see Photoshop measurements. My 2 (or 50) cents: Sides (of this NP R23 91072) chrome yellow, roof red (w granulate), ends & hardware black. cheers, Fred Jansz
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Toronto Train Show Oct 5-6: RPM Planned
G.J. Irwin
I don't think this has been brought up on this group before, if redundant my apologies. https://www.torontotrainshow.com/ I'm not affiliated but have been to this show several times. I enjoy seeing things I don't commonly see "South of the Border." There are often excellent model displays in multiple scales. The addition of an RPM should increase the value for the price of admission ($8 Canadian, with a $1 off coupon on the site and free re-admission on Sunday for Saturday attendees). George Irwin Rochester, NY
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Covered Hopper ID
I'm curious about the covered hopper in the scan attached (hopefully). Image is on the Santa Fe in Medicine Lodge, KS 1952.
It is no doubt a Carbon Black hopper, any ideas on the owner and reporting marks. I'm guessing Colombian Carbon Co. From this angle the car looks like it could be modeled from the F&C kit, and I think this style of hopper was offered by Railshop and Overland. Seems odd that this car would be on this particular branch line. The only non-agricultural traffic on this line to my knowledge is gypsum mining and wallboard manufacturing. There would be petroleum production in this area, but no refineries. No interchanges with foreign roads on this branch. Any speculation why this car would be out here? Photo credit goes to William O Gibson, Medicine Lodge, Kansas 1952. "Santa Fe Engine Picture Taker" p.21. Regards, David Snook Wichita, KS
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Another fine effort, Dick! I’m guessing you’ll be bringing it to the RPM meet next month. I’m looking forward to seeing it.
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On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Fish belly underframe
BillM
Thank you everyone for your responses and answers. Have a blessed day. Bill Michael
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From: Bob Webber
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:21 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Fish belly underframe
Along with that, alloys and various improvements allowed for less labor intensive means of creating a supporting structure that was "smaller", stronger, & better use of resources and more flexible.
The straight channel sill was found to be sufficiently strong and reduced rivets, time and steel. When weldments came on line that further reduced time and materials. A jig ended up doing the work (or allowing far fewer to work) on the whole structure at the same time.
The same thing happened for passenger cars, but it took a lot longer (for a variety of reasons). the sill does more than "just" impart structure to the frame, it can also lower CoG and provide additional stiffness in specific planes (that otw might fail in certain circumstances). A Standard Pullman was called a battleship for the keel (sill) and the heavy riveted side frame and skin that mimic the (essentially, pre-Dreadnought) Battleship construction.
People tend to forget that huge swaths of industry and society have seen a sudden and virtually entire loss of functions. The Milk industry (& usually associated ice industry) is one large example (used to be 10 ice houses & 4 milk concentrators within 5 miles of here) . But at the same time, the consequences of specific construction methods - of buildings, roads, autos, and freight cars - all changed heavily in the 1910-1940 era. A great many methods WERE regulated out of existence, a great many were simply passed by events.
For instance....driving through beautiful downtown Elgin today, most of the large brick buildings making up a semi-industrial corridor are gone in the last 20 years - and in the resulting open space, you can see that now passed over tech, the pay phone (complete with sign pointing at it) now used mangily by dealers of all sorts. But no one regulated land lines (esp. pay variants) out of existence, some few remain, but the rest have simply outlived their usefulness (and may yet be regulated out of existence due to their use in crimes).
At 01:56 PM 9/28/2019, Dennis Storzek wrote: >And still in use long after the cut-off date of this discussion >group. TTX 89' flatcars have fishbelly underframes. The reason we >don't see any on house cars built after 1930 or so is designers >finally realized the design was overkill; it added weight whereas a >straight sill was sufficiently strong. > >Dennis Storzek >
Bob Webber
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Paul Doggett
Dick
That’s a stunning build, paint job and weathering. Paul Doggett England 🏴
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
What a beauty!
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Eric Hansmann
Thanks for sharing your work, Dick. The car looks great. Will you display this at RPM Chicagoland? I, too, have heard this might be a HO scale resin kit offering. Let's cross our fingers! Eric Hansmann
On September 28, 2019 at 5:21 PM Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
vapeurchapelon
A beautiful model!
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Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. September 2019 um 01:21 Uhr
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
My feelings echo Fenton's, Dick. Had a wood model of one of these once in O scale when I used to operate on a friend's O scale pike every Friday night. Eventually gave it to him and later wished I had kept it to copy in HO scale. Gary, I hope you're right because I'd love ot have one in HO scale. Did any eastern roads have clones of these cars? Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Dan Stainton
Nice work Dick
Dan Stainton
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
gary laakso
Very well done and it looks like it was operating behind steam! The HO resin kit is rumbling it’s way to availability was the last word a year ago.
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On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Well done, Love the finish on this car. Fenton
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:21 PM Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote: Here's a photo of my most recent freight car project, an O-scale D&RGW --
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Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car
Richard Scott
Here's a photo of my most recent freight car project, an O-scale D&RGW
double-sheathed automobile car. I built it from a Rails Unlimited resin body, painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Protocraft decals. The 200 cars in the Rio Grande's 61200-61399 series were built by the Mount Vernon Car Company in 1925. Most remained in service into the 1960s, with the final car, 61346, going off the roster in 1969. I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section. Dick Scott
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Re: Fish belly underframe
Bob Webber
Along with that, alloys and various improvements allowed for less labor intensive means of creating a supporting structure that was "smaller", stronger, & better use of resources and more flexible.
The straight channel sill was found to be sufficiently strong and reduced rivets, time and steel. When weldments came on line that further reduced time and materials. A jig ended up doing the work (or allowing far fewer to work) on the whole structure at the same time. The same thing happened for passenger cars, but it took a lot longer (for a variety of reasons). the sill does more than "just" impart structure to the frame, it can also lower CoG and provide additional stiffness in specific planes (that otw might fail in certain circumstances). A Standard Pullman was called a battleship for the keel (sill) and the heavy riveted side frame and skin that mimic the (essentially, pre-Dreadnought) Battleship construction. People tend to forget that huge swaths of industry and society have seen a sudden and virtually entire loss of functions. The Milk industry (& usually associated ice industry) is one large example (used to be 10 ice houses & 4 milk concentrators within 5 miles of here) . But at the same time, the consequences of specific construction methods - of buildings, roads, autos, and freight cars - all changed heavily in the 1910-1940 era. A great many methods WERE regulated out of existence, a great many were simply passed by events. For instance....driving through beautiful downtown Elgin today, most of the large brick buildings making up a semi-industrial corridor are gone in the last 20 years - and in the resulting open space, you can see that now passed over tech, the pay phone (complete with sign pointing at it) now used mangily by dealers of all sorts. But no one regulated land lines (esp. pay variants) out of existence, some few remain, but the rest have simply outlived their usefulness (and may yet be regulated out of existence due to their use in crimes). At 01:56 PM 9/28/2019, Dennis Storzek wrote: And still in use long after the cut-off date of this discussion group. TTX 89' flatcars have fishbelly underframes. The reason we don't see any on house cars built after 1930 or so is designers finally realized the design was overkill; it added weight whereas a straight sill was sufficiently strong.Bob Webber
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Re: Fish belly underframe
Dennis Storzek
And still in use long after the cut-off date of this discussion group. TTX 89' flatcars have fishbelly underframes. The reason we don't see any on house cars built after 1930 or so is designers finally realized the design was overkill; it added weight whereas a straight sill was sufficiently strong.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Fish belly underframe
Eric Hansmann
No ban that I’m aware of for that center sill design.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Sep 28, 2019, at 1:36 PM, BillM <fecbill@...> wrote:
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Fish belly underframe
BillM
What I call a fish belly underframe is the large beam or beams that are visible from the side of a boxcar that have a visible angle. My question is when were these underframes banned from interchange service? Thank you Bill Michael
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Re: Empty Car Card
seems obvious enough - there is no "WAYBILL" because the car is empty, but the car does have a destination. I suppose this would also prevent the car from being "hijacked" down the line somewhere, since it has a consignment to the destination.
On 9/28/2019 2:13 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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