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New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

I have just added five new tank car photos to
realstmfc_AT_groups.io, "Garth Groff's Album 5, Tank Cars", found on page 9. These include an NATX twin dome, and an AC&F high-walkway Type 7 survivor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: New Decal Availabile

O Fenton Wells
 

Good job Ryan, the finish is excellent with the weathered look.
Fenton

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:09 PM Ryan Mendell <ryan.mendell@...> wrote:
Here is my effort in creating the 10’6 EJ&E car with 8’ door.  I kit bashed it, as I did not have one of the sunshine mini kits. There was an article a few years back in RMC on modelling this car.  It would be great a very interesting car with the new decals.

Ryan Mendell



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Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Scott Seders
 

Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?

I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking.

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Chuck Cover
 

Scott,

As Ben indicated the Hobbyline model is the best starting point. There was an article in Railroad Model Craftsman, May 2011, pp83-86, “Detailing a Lehigh Valley Hopper Car” and also an article on the Lehigh Valley #50100-50149 Series 70 Ton Covered Hopper in Anthracite Railroads Historical Society the Lehigh Valley Railroad Modeler section.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: early tank car photos

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

Thanks everyone!

I posted up some of the early tank cars in an album.

I'm also posting up my ACF Type 7 Hi Walk Collection.

I do also have a bunch of ACF Type X pictures if anyone is interested.

Thanks,

Levi.


Also, I have decals I had made up for some of those, including: The Texas Company, Peerless Tank Line 1804 (Single Dome Series), Morrell Tank Line, Rocky Mountain Oil & Fuel, and The Florence Pipe & Tool Company. All HO Scale.

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts
underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to
resemble the Lehigh Valley car?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/8/2019 9:08 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Illinois Central R-40-10 reefer colors

Tim O'Connor
 


As Tony points out, originally received aluminum painted roofs.

Repaints received black ends and roofs and orange sides (at some point MDT & IC began using the same orange paint)

The attached photo of 50038 appears to have a combination of colors on the roof

 


On 10/8/2019 3:52 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Hi all,
purchased this smart looking IC 50039 reefer for my reefer collection.
Checked the group's archives and could find two paint suggestions:
- green ends, silver roof (Hendrickson)
- black ends black roof; w. silver over blk roof, run board still black, black stripe under roof (instead of green) (IC paint diagram)
- others suggest green ends & roof
When I look at the model Mr. Hendrickson painted, it has black ends & roof.
Which scheme is the correct one?
(if there is one...)
best regards,
Fred Jansz

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

ford.donald77
 

Tim
The wheel base and the side height is different.  The hoppers are orientated all facing to the center were as the H21a is a saw tooth arrangement.  the hopper doors are a corrugated style I think call Apex.  The model has a poor three bumps facing in the wrong direction to simulate this.  The hopper doors are the hardest thing to model.  I tried but was not successful. I was working with the builders photo (ACF)
Chuck 
what did you sue for hopper doors on your models?
Don Ford
Cameron MO

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 10:59:28 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts
underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to
resemble the Lehigh Valley car?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/8/2019 9:08 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom

Re: New Decal Availabile

Ryan Mendell
 

Thanks Guys.  As Tim’s post about the correct car numbers points out, the number on my car is wrong.  This was caused by a cascade of errors induced by my method of applying decals.  I like to apply the car numbers as they come in the set even if I plan to use a different number.  This makes it much easier to keep things lined up.  After they are down I lightly score the decal and peel up the number to be changed and replace it with the new digit.  In this case the first ‘9’ was going to be changed to an ‘8’.  Well the decals are from Tichy and as others have pointed out they can be somewhat stubborn when trying to get them to settle down.  After many attempts with all sorts of setting solutions I finally had some luck with a q-tip dipped in boiling water.  While the decal settled down, the paint had started to soften with all the heat and different solvents I was subjecting it to, so  I decided to leave it and not risk running a fine paint job by trying to peel up the digit.

Bill top mark for doubling up the up the two sets of decals on your scheme. A fine looking car.

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Scott Seders
 

Below is a diagram for the woodchip car conversion LV did. 

image1.jpeg


Scott Seders 
Salisbury, MD

On Oct 8, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom

Re: Illinois Central R-40-10 reefer colors

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks Tim, Tony,
I model/collect 1950.
Think I follow Mr Hendrickson's expertise by modeling an 'interim' paint scheme, with black roof & ends, new data on the sides and still yellow sides & green lettering.
After 13 years in service this seems an appropriate scheme (the orange sides added >1950 w. next paint job).
cheers,
Fred Jansz

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


Don't forget the 70 ton trucks! There are now a couple of nice implementations
of plain bearing 70 ton trucks with 3 outboard springs - Kadee and Tangent, and
maybe others.




On 10/8/2019 1:48 PM, Scott Seders wrote:
Below is a diagram for the woodchip car conversion LV did. 



Scott Seders 
Salisbury, MD

On Oct 8, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Seders wrote:
"Below is a diagram for the woodchip car conversion LV did. 

image1.jpeg


Scott, thanks.  Interpolating from the diagram, the height from rail to top chord of the pre-wood chip rebuilds is 10 ft 8 in.  PRR Class H21/H21A is 10 ft 6 in.

Two inches isn't necessarily a deal-breaker, but the wheelbase issues and different hopper orientation makes the Bowser conversion project a non-starter.


Ben Hom

A.A. Morrison Railway Supply / International Car

mark_landgraf
 

Chris,

Would you please contact me off list at
mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com

Yhanks
Mark

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 11:31:51 PM EDT, leakinmywaders via Groups.Io <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:


Mark:  


Matt Herson and I published a roster and brief account of the several series of boxcars that A.A. Morrison and subsidiaries rebuilt or refurbished and leased to the NP during the 1960s.  The article appeared in 2009 in the NPRHA Mainstreeter, Volume 28, No. 4.  The piece was entitled “The Lazarus Fleet: Leased Boxcars of the 1960s,” because these were all steam-era boxcars considered worn-out and sidelined by northeastern roads, including Erie, DLW, DT&I, and N&W.  The Morrison firm smelled opportunity in exploiting the excess of NE US road boxcars to address recurring car shortages on western roads for shipping forest products. The cars were altered to varying degrees for lease service, most drastically in the case of single door cars converted to double doors.  

Note that certain of the ORER-listed NP series originated from multiple parent series and even railroads.  

This touches on RealSTMC content because of the build dates of the boxcars (1930s-40s), but A. A. Morrison and Morrison International activity in the 1960s and later might be better discussed on the MFCL or BBFCL io groups.  Regards, 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT 

Model Help

Lester Breuer
 

I was gifted this HO Train-Miniature NP Hopper lettered correctly for the Np and being 35ft inside inside ( Rather than 34ft 9 inches as the prototype) it could be reworked into a NP Hopper in the 70050-70199 series which had 6 panels rather than 9 as the AAR standard design with 33 ft inside.  Rivets pattern also need correction.  I began the process ( 2nd Photo) and began wondering if there is a better model for the project. Is there a better model for a starting point?  Thanks for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer 


Re: SRFD reefers with ventilator hoods (Ice Car From 1942)

Ken Adams
 

Unfortunately this photo appears to be from the Japanese relocation to give it context.

Sunshine PFE

Paul Doggett
 

Sunshine PFE R30-16 the main decals are Microscale 87-414 the data decals are the ones that came with the kit. Sides are Floquil daylight orange the roof and ends are Trucolor SP freight car Brown.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Marty McGuirk
 

Anyone have a similar diagram for the conversion to two-bay hoppers that I understand started with these cars? 


Thanks, 


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 8, 2019 at 1:48 PM Scott Seders <sseders@...> wrote:

 
Below is a diagram for the woodchip car conversion LV did. 

image1.jpeg


Scott Seders 
Salisbury, MD

On Oct 8, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Benjamin Hom < b.hom@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom