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A.A. Morrison Railway Supply / International Car

mark_landgraf
 

Chris,

Would you please contact me off list at
mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com

Yhanks
Mark

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 11:31:51 PM EDT, leakinmywaders via Groups.Io <leakinmywaders@...> wrote:


Mark:  


Matt Herson and I published a roster and brief account of the several series of boxcars that A.A. Morrison and subsidiaries rebuilt or refurbished and leased to the NP during the 1960s.  The article appeared in 2009 in the NPRHA Mainstreeter, Volume 28, No. 4.  The piece was entitled “The Lazarus Fleet: Leased Boxcars of the 1960s,” because these were all steam-era boxcars considered worn-out and sidelined by northeastern roads, including Erie, DLW, DT&I, and N&W.  The Morrison firm smelled opportunity in exploiting the excess of NE US road boxcars to address recurring car shortages on western roads for shipping forest products. The cars were altered to varying degrees for lease service, most drastically in the case of single door cars converted to double doors.  

Note that certain of the ORER-listed NP series originated from multiple parent series and even railroads.  

This touches on RealSTMC content because of the build dates of the boxcars (1930s-40s), but A. A. Morrison and Morrison International activity in the 1960s and later might be better discussed on the MFCL or BBFCL io groups.  Regards, 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT 

Model Help

Lester Breuer
 

I was gifted this HO Train-Miniature NP Hopper lettered correctly for the Np and being 35ft inside inside ( Rather than 34ft 9 inches as the prototype) it could be reworked into a NP Hopper in the 70050-70199 series which had 6 panels rather than 9 as the AAR standard design with 33 ft inside.  Rivets pattern also need correction.  I began the process ( 2nd Photo) and began wondering if there is a better model for the project. Is there a better model for a starting point?  Thanks for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer 


Re: SRFD reefers with ventilator hoods (Ice Car From 1942)

Ken Adams
 

Unfortunately this photo appears to be from the Japanese relocation to give it context.

Sunshine PFE

Paul Doggett
 

Sunshine PFE R30-16 the main decals are Microscale 87-414 the data decals are the ones that came with the kit. Sides are Floquil daylight orange the roof and ends are Trucolor SP freight car Brown.
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Marty McGuirk
 

Anyone have a similar diagram for the conversion to two-bay hoppers that I understand started with these cars? 


Thanks, 


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 8, 2019 at 1:48 PM Scott Seders <sseders@...> wrote:

 
Below is a diagram for the woodchip car conversion LV did. 

image1.jpeg


Scott Seders 
Salisbury, MD

On Oct 8, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Benjamin Hom < b.hom@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom


 


 

Re: Red Caboose ACF Box Car with 4-3-1 Ends and Riveted Sides

StephenK
 

Thanks to all for the info.   The spreadsheets and, especially, the RMJ roster from 1999 did the trick.   It looks like RC once did the car I have settled on (MP 36000 Series), but of course, I have an undec and will able to finish it up myself.  Need to gather the supplies, but I am on my way!

BTW, it seems like the old RMJ mags are more valuable than ever.   I have the indexes that they once published, but they are not complete.    Nevertheless, those "Car Spotters Guides" were great!

S

Re: Model Help

Benjamin Hom
 

Lester Breuer asked:
"I was gifted this HO Train-Miniature NP Hopper lettered correctly for the NP and being 35 ft inside inside (rather than 34 ft 9 in as the prototype) it could be reworked into a NP Hopper in the 70050-70199 series which had 6 panels rather than 9 as the AAR standard design with 33 ft inside.  Rivets pattern also need correction.  I began the process (2nd Photo) and began wondering if there is a better model for the project. Is there a better model for a starting point?"

Probably as good a starting point as any, especially as you've started carving plastic.  The Train-Miniature/Walthers 36 ft offset twin is a foobie anyway (they tooled an offset car to get extra mileage out of the tooling done for the PS-3 twin), so you're not wrecking something which would be otherwise useful anyway.  The only other longer model twin hopper that comes to mind as a starting point is the Gilbert offset twin (undated catalog scan from the HOSeeker website attached for reference).  The linked clearance diagram from the NPRHA website doesn't indicate the type of taper, so I'm not sure if the stepped taper of the Gilbert model or the long taper of the Train-Miniature/Walthers model is more appropriate.

I got one of the Gilbert cars years ago as a basket case and stripped it, then failed to find a prototype for it.  I also have a couple of the Train-Miniature offset twins on hand, so this is a potential project for me as well.


Ben Hom

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Chuck Cover
 

RE:  what did you use for hopper doors on your models?

 

Don,

 

I used Bowser H21 Wine door locks and the hopper door angles were 3/64” styrene. These two details are the most visible from the sides of the model. I did little else with underbody details as the car is meant to be an operating model on my PRR’s Shamokin Branch Layout.  I did do the end brake detail and the grabs because they were so visible.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: Model Help

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This Gilbert ad looks like their own stuff, probably near the end in the early '60s, but I could be wrong. At least some of Gilbert's original train set cars were Marx knock-offs, or were made for them by Marx (I had both as a youngster). That tank car looks like a Varney knock-off (still available in the Life-Like train set line), and the crane is obviously a Tru-Scale model, or a knock-off. That crane passed on to Train Miniature and has been in occasional production from Walthers (actually not bad as kitbash fodder).

Of interest to me are their flat cars. I somehow came up with two examples of the 50' (?) flat when I was a teenager, and one of the drop center car. These were actually pretty good metal castings, if you can overlook some details being cast in place, and no underbody detail to speak of. The 50' flats did ride too high, thanks to their taglo trucks, but that could be fixed. Since they were all-metal, they rode very well. I keep an eye out for these at the one train show I still attend, but have yet to see any. Whether I would buy one would depend on evaluating how the pieces actually look versus my memory, and whether at this stage of my life I want any more projects hanging around.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 10/8/2019 3:35 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Lester Breuer asked:
"I was gifted this HO Train-Miniature NP Hopper lettered correctly for the NP and being 35 ft inside inside (rather than 34 ft 9 in as the prototype) it could be reworked into a NP Hopper in the 70050-70199 series which had 6 panels rather than 9 as the AAR standard design with 33 ft inside.  Rivets pattern also need correction.  I began the process (2nd Photo) and began wondering if there is a better model for the project. Is there a better model for a starting point?"

Probably as good a starting point as any, especially as you've started carving plastic.  The Train-Miniature/Walthers 36 ft offset twin is a foobie anyway (they tooled an offset car to get extra mileage out of the tooling done for the PS-3 twin), so you're not wrecking something which would be otherwise useful anyway.  The only other longer model twin hopper that comes to mind as a starting point is the Gilbert offset twin (undated catalog scan from the HOSeeker website attached for reference).  The linked clearance diagram from the NPRHA website doesn't indicate the type of taper, so I'm not sure if the stepped taper of the Gilbert model or the long taper of the Train-Miniature/Walthers model is more appropriate.

I got one of the Gilbert cars years ago as a basket case and stripped it, then failed to find a prototype for it.  I also have a couple of the Train-Miniature offset twins on hand, so this is a potential project for me as well.


Ben Hom

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / some went to Tennessee Central and TP&W(?)

Steven D Johnson
 

I'm glad the topic of these LV hoppers came up (again).

I have a keen interest in them because the Tennessee Central purchased 31 of these cars from International Railway Car Co. in 1956. They became TC nos. 8100-8130. As I recall, I have a photo in my TC files, and will scan and post it when I find it.

Also, TP&W acquired some (at least I assume they are ex-LV), but don't have any information on their acquisition. Just have the attached image of no. 829.

Chuck Yungkurth published a short article, "Lehigh Valley's composite quad hoppers" in the August 1997 issue of RMC. Included is a photo of one of the original composite cars and one of a rebuilt car, with HO scale drawings of both versions.

I have several of the Lionel and Hobbyline cars purchased at train shows or on eBay. Would like to eventually upgrade the models and decorate them for TC.

Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Seders
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 7:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?

I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking.

Decal Source: K4 Pacific on eBay

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

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LV hopper

Hugh Guillaume
 


LV hopper made from Hobbyline on my model railroad.
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Hugh Guillaume
 


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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

James E Kubanick
 

There was an article and drawings for these cars and the composite version in the August 1997, page 80, issue of RMC by Chuck Yungkurth. I also have a photo, from Bob's Photos of Reading 70056. It appears that both cars can be built from the Hobbyline model as I can detect only minor differences on the RDG car. I am attempting to build both now from Hobbyline cars that I obtained from a train show some years ago for $1 each.

I did build one of the LV versions some time ago and am satisfied with the results although I am now aware of some mistakes which I will correct on this build. So, I do agree with Ben that the Hobbyline car is the best starting point for the LV build and I can add that you also have an opportunity to use it to build another anthracite road car from it.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 4:05:01 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


RE:  what did you use for hopper doors on your models?

 

Don,

 

I used Bowser H21 Wine door locks and the hopper door angles were 3/64” styrene. These two details are the most visible from the sides of the model. I did little else with underbody details as the car is meant to be an operating model on my PRR’s Shamokin Branch Layout.  I did do the end brake detail and the grabs because they were so visible.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: Decal Source: K4 Pacific on eBay

 

Agreed about K4 Pacific. Great quality,decent price and quick service. Highly recommended.

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky.

40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Roger Huber
 

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.



Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Marty McGuirk
 

Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Marty McGuirk
 

And here's a link to the article - from the April 1993 issue of RMJ on the TrainLife website:


http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/146/10547/april-1993-page-13



On October 9, 2019 at 9:08 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.


 


 

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Roger Huber
 

Marty,

Thanks for that info and the links.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:08:49 AM CDT, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:


Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.