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Re: Decal Source: K4 Pacific on eBay

 

Agreed about K4 Pacific. Great quality,decent price and quick service. Highly recommended.

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky.

40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Roger Huber
 

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.



Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Marty McGuirk
 

Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Marty McGuirk
 

And here's a link to the article - from the April 1993 issue of RMJ on the TrainLife website:


http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/146/10547/april-1993-page-13



On October 9, 2019 at 9:08 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.


 


 

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Roger Huber
 

Marty,

Thanks for that info and the links.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:08:49 AM CDT, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:


Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. 


GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars.


In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. 


Hope this helps, 


Marty


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA



On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Roger Huber
 

Eric,

Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.



Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal.

http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

 

Eric,

 

Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.

 

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

 

 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

 

 

Re: Erie coal gon

Tim O'Connor
 


Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!


On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:

Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad.
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Douglas Harding
 

It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

 

It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal.

http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

 

Eric,

 

Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.

 

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

 

 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:

I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks,
Roger Huber.

 

 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim;

Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon


Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!


On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:




Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad.
Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?"

The TrainLife site is buggy as hell.  Some fragments of magazines can be seen on the original site, but the content was migrated to their new website (due to issues to the old site) where it was accessible until recently.


Ben Hom 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Eric Hansmann
 

It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Tim;

Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon


Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!


On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:




Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad.
Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

DL&W caboose circa-1931

Richard Brennan
 

Super-clean photo of a classic Lackawanna center-cupola wood caboose...
DL&W 842... NPS Steamtown collection, circa-1931

The grabiron mounting details would be a trick to model...
and note the substantial hasp for the end door.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 04:13 AM 10/9/2019, Paul Tupaczewski wrote:
<snip>
Please find attached images for your review. It is my hope that getting information out that these images exist will benefit everyone and I appreciate being able to use this list as one of the ways to both distribute the images, but also receive feedback and additional information on them.


X7810--Wood caboose no. 842 [1931-1932]
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-10-09-19/X7810.jpg
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Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Good point, Eric!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:18 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Tim;

Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon


Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!


On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:




Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad.
Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet

Attachments:


* P_20191008_200729.jpg <BlockedBlockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0>



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Erie coal gon

Alice Devenny
 

List:

I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. 

Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA
 
    

Re: Erie coal gon

Eric Hansmann
 

Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

 

List:

I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. 

Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA
 
    

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job to Tom!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image.





Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon



List:

I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be.

Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA

Re: Erie coal gon

Schleigh Mike
 

The ERIE 43000-45599 series 70 ton gondolas date from 1923-1924.  Their top dimension was 9'-3 3/4" above the rail.  The underside of the center sill was 29 1/2" above the rails.  The Mantua model definitely needs to be lowered and their supplied trucks are nearly worthless.  Equipment drawing says side frames were "Bettendorf" but photos would be more help with the proper truck to apply.  These were interesting cars that originally came with steel floors and drop doors.  Later some got wood floors while still others were converted to quad hoppers.

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 12:36:06 PM EDT, Alice Devenny <atdevenny@...> wrote:


List:

I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. 

Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA
 
    

Re: Erie coal gon

Steven D Johnson
 

Tom,

 

What issue of RMC had that article?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon

 

List:

I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. 

Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA