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Re: Erie coal gon
Schleigh Mike
The ERIE 43000-45599 series 70 ton gondolas date from 1923-1924. Their top dimension was 9'-3 3/4" above the rail. The underside of the center sill was 29 1/2" above the rails. The Mantua model definitely needs to be lowered and their supplied trucks are nearly worthless. Equipment drawing says side frames were "Bettendorf" but photos would be more help with the proper truck to apply. These were interesting cars that originally came with steel floors and drop doors. Later some got wood floors while still others were converted to quad hoppers. Regards from Grove City, Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 12:36:06 PM EDT, Alice Devenny <atdevenny@...> wrote:
List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Nice job to Tom!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:57 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:36 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
Eric Hansmann
Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
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Re: Erie coal gon
Alice Devenny
List:
I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Good point, Eric!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:18 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tim; Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <BlockedBlockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0> -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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DL&W caboose circa-1931
Super-clean photo of a classic Lackawanna center-cupola wood caboose...
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DL&W 842... NPS Steamtown collection, circa-1931 The grabiron mounting details would be a trick to model... and note the substantial hasp for the end door. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
At 04:13 AM 10/9/2019, Paul Tupaczewski wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Eric Hansmann
It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tim; Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0> -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Benjamin Hom
Doug Harding wrote: "It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?" The TrainLife site is buggy as hell. Some fragments of magazines can be seen on the original site, but the content was migrated to their new website (due to issues to the old site) where it was accessible until recently. Ben Hom
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Tim;
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Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0> -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal. http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Eric,
Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.
Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Erie coal gon
Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!
On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Eric Hansmann
It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal. http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:43 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Eric,
Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.
Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Roger Huber
Eric, Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. Eric Hansmann On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Roger Huber
Marty, Thanks for that info and the links. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:08:49 AM CDT, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars. In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. Hope this helps, Marty Marty McGuirk Gainesville, VA On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Marty McGuirk
And here's a link to the article - from the April 1993 issue of RMJ on the TrainLife website: http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/146/10547/april-1993-page-13
On October 9, 2019 at 9:08 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Marty McGuirk
Although the CV had a number of 1-1/2 door single sheathed boxcars, (see https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2019/08/cv-41000-series-boxcars-some-notes-for.html) , they looked nothing like the Accurail car. GTW had some 1-1/2 door cars identical to (in some cases former) the CV 41,000-series cars. In addition, GTW rostered some cars that one could model with the Accurail boxcar and the NERS door kit. In a past issue of RMJ there's an article showing how to use the NERS doors to modify the Accurail car. Hope this helps, Marty Marty McGuirk Gainesville, VA
On October 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Eric Hansmann
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time. Eric Hansmann
On October 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM "Roger Huber via Groups.Io" <trainpainter@...> wrote:
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40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Roger Huber
I picked up some NERS door conversion kits at a train show and want to do the conversion on some Accurail kits I have. The kits are like all the NERS products I have and are well designed and made. Their instruction sheet mentions CN and CP so I'm assuming the CV and GTW may have had some too. Does anyone know of any other railroads using this type car? I did the Google and Bing searches and come up with no pictures or usable info. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks, Roger Huber.
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Re: Decal Source: K4 Pacific on eBay
Agreed about K4 Pacific. Great quality,decent price and quick service. Highly recommended.
Dave Strahlendorf Erlanger, Ky.
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper
There was an article and drawings for these cars and the composite version in the August 1997, page 80, issue of RMC by Chuck Yungkurth. I also have a photo, from Bob's Photos of Reading 70056. It appears that both cars can be built from the Hobbyline model as I can detect only minor differences on the RDG car. I am attempting to build both now from Hobbyline cars that I obtained from a train show some years ago for $1 each. I did build one of the LV versions some time ago and am satisfied with the results although I am now aware of some mistakes which I will correct on this build. So, I do agree with Ben that the Hobbyline car is the best starting point for the LV build and I can add that you also have an opportunity to use it to build another anthracite road car from it. Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 4:05:01 PM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
RE: what did you use for hopper doors on your models?
Don,
I used Bowser H21 Wine door locks and the hopper door angles were 3/64” styrene. These two details are the most visible from the sides of the model. I did little else with underbody details as the car is meant to be an operating model on my PRR’s Shamokin Branch Layout. I did do the end brake detail and the grabs because they were so visible.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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