Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Good point, Eric!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:18 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tim; Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <BlockedBlockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0> -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Erie coal gon
Alice Devenny
List:
I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
Eric Hansmann
Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Nice job to Tom!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:57 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:36 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
Schleigh Mike
The ERIE 43000-45599 series 70 ton gondolas date from 1923-1924. Their top dimension was 9'-3 3/4" above the rail. The underside of the center sill was 29 1/2" above the rails. The Mantua model definitely needs to be lowered and their supplied trucks are nearly worthless. Equipment drawing says side frames were "Bettendorf" but photos would be more help with the proper truck to apply. These were interesting cars that originally came with steel floors and drop doors. Later some got wood floors while still others were converted to quad hoppers. Regards from Grove City, Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 12:36:06 PM EDT, Alice Devenny <atdevenny@...> wrote:
List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
Steven D Johnson
Tom,
What issue of RMC had that article?
Thanks,
Steve Johnson Nashville, TN
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper
rwitt_2000
Marty,
This photo was captioned as a 2-bay rebuilt from the 4-bay. Bob Witt
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Re: Erie coal gon
rwitt_2000
I also worked on this model, the original Lindberg version, to tried to lower the body relative to the underframe. I can't quickly find my model, but I recall I cut the floor free from the car body and was attempting to scratch build a new underframe to allow properly positions draft gear and body bolsters . My reference was the drawings in the Car Buildler's Cyc that were reproduced in the old Model Railroader Cyclopedia.
Never did finish the model. Bob Witt
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Donald B. Valentine
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Ray Breyer
Hi Don, I know of one article that's about to go to press, and I'm about to start on another (using your part on double sheathed cars). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:11:42 PM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: Model Help
rwitt_2000
The Sunshine hoppers wouldn't work [I can't quickly find the Inside Length.]?
twin bay chiseled side hoppers (Discontinued) Both series of cars were built by Pressed Steel Car so they could have done a run of the C proprietary design for the NP. Bob Witt
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Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde
and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Ben,
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I can't comment on the fidelity of the body styles since I don't have any of the Bowser cars, and their web pictures are rather unhelpful. As for the Linde "boxcar", the prototype wasn't actually a boxcar at all. It was an XT class tank car, SERX (Shippers Car Line) series 500-1043, which in 1958 was filled by just 160 cars. Like most Shippers cars, these were built by AC&F (which owned Shippers). An XT tank car usually had two tanks and loading equipment surrounded by a boxcar shell. Linde's car usually had a small access door in each end above the couplers, with other plates on the lower car body, and some had additional plates or small vents just below the roofline. The running boards were broken by several vents set into the center line of the roof. Linde also operated XT cars built by, and leased from, General American under the LAPX reporting marks. In 1958 there were over 400 cars in four number series. GA also leased similar cars to Air Reduction Co. under the AROX mark, and to National Cylinder Gas Co. under the GAOX mark. The Linde cars can be very confusing, as they tended get rebuilt from time to time to suit the needs of new shippers, or for new gas products. This resulted in a blizzard of renumberings. The best coverage of these cars is found in RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA 14, "40' Cryogenic Box/Tank Cars -- Special Tank Cars Masquerading as A.A.R Boxcars" by Patrick C. Wilder. Additional articles I have in my files are: A kitbash article, "Linde Tank Car" by Bill Darnaby from the May 1993 MAINLINE MODELER. A follow-up letter to the editor with photos showing the odd side plates ion the December MAINLINE MODELER. Another kitbash article, "40-foot Linde Box/Tank Cars" by John J. Ryckowski in the July 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. And a general history/photo article, "The Linde 40-foot Box/Tank Cars" by John Ryckowski in the same RMJ issue. As the Bowser car is out of the box, none of the XT details are present. Adding them to an existing painted car would probably result in a mess you wouldn't be proud to show off. It would be better to start with a stripped car body. Which one? Well that's a problem. Depending on the lots, Linde cars came with both 10 and 12-panel sides, and a variety of ends. Their heights also varied. You need to work from photos with the appropriate car body. As for paint, the green scheme appears to date from the late 1950s. For most of us steam-era modelers, the FCR red scheme with the diamond herald is correct. Champ used to offer the decals for this scheme. Bill Darnaby did a credible job creating the diamond herald from individual letters. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Thank you Garth for your very informative message!
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Ben Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Bill Welch
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 04:13 AM, Ben de Vries wrote:
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the LindeA link would be helpful Ben. . . Bill Welch
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Re: Erie coal gon
Alice Devenny
Steve:
Sorry, I don't recall which RMC issue had the Erie coal gon article. My quick attempt at trying to find an index on-line was not successful. IIRC, the article wasn't much help regarding the car height problem anyway. Car height is the major issue to overcome - the rest of the work was just some simple detailing. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
...but it was done in brass in TT-scale!!! A 'Joma'
import from Japan.
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Drawings from the '31 CBCyc were reprinted in Train Shed Cyclopedia 46... and an article by Jim Cassidy on upgrading the Mantua HO car was in MRG May-June 1985. Another article was written by Richard Reichenbach in the ELHS Diamond... the copy I have is undated. Original: Circa-1923 Modernized: Post 1937 Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Brennan - TT-west www.tt-west.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
At 07:36 AM 10/9/2019, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Benjamin Hom
Ben de Vries asked: "Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies!" Bill Welch replied: "A link would be helpful Ben. . ." We've discussed these models before in the thread "Bowser Box Cars" starting with message #143056 dated 6/15/16. Long story short, this model has been lurking around the Bowser catalog for the last 15-20 years or so in the guise of base model "canvas" for custom-decorated cars in their English Model Railroad Supply line. Bowser used their Class X31A single door boxcar tooling as the basis for a "generic" 40 ft boxcar, creating a model with a Murphy rectangular panel roof with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends but with the side rivet patterns of the Class X31A single door car, all the way down to the unique 5 panels to the left of the door/4 panels to the right of the door. I've got one of these models, but haven't discovered any prototype for it yet as this combination of features is unusual, so all of the decorated models are suspect. Frankly, $28.95 is a bit much to shell out for a stand-in model. Ben Hom
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
As tank cars, I assume there would not have been a reweigh requirement for these cars and the model should not have reweigh stenciling, right?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Some did.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
As tank cars, I assume there would not have been a reweigh requirement for these cars and the model should not have reweigh stenciling, right?
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