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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Ben,
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I can't comment on the fidelity of the body styles since I don't have any of the Bowser cars, and their web pictures are rather unhelpful. As for the Linde "boxcar", the prototype wasn't actually a boxcar at all. It was an XT class tank car, SERX (Shippers Car Line) series 500-1043, which in 1958 was filled by just 160 cars. Like most Shippers cars, these were built by AC&F (which owned Shippers). An XT tank car usually had two tanks and loading equipment surrounded by a boxcar shell. Linde's car usually had a small access door in each end above the couplers, with other plates on the lower car body, and some had additional plates or small vents just below the roofline. The running boards were broken by several vents set into the center line of the roof. Linde also operated XT cars built by, and leased from, General American under the LAPX reporting marks. In 1958 there were over 400 cars in four number series. GA also leased similar cars to Air Reduction Co. under the AROX mark, and to National Cylinder Gas Co. under the GAOX mark. The Linde cars can be very confusing, as they tended get rebuilt from time to time to suit the needs of new shippers, or for new gas products. This resulted in a blizzard of renumberings. The best coverage of these cars is found in RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA 14, "40' Cryogenic Box/Tank Cars -- Special Tank Cars Masquerading as A.A.R Boxcars" by Patrick C. Wilder. Additional articles I have in my files are: A kitbash article, "Linde Tank Car" by Bill Darnaby from the May 1993 MAINLINE MODELER. A follow-up letter to the editor with photos showing the odd side plates ion the December MAINLINE MODELER. Another kitbash article, "40-foot Linde Box/Tank Cars" by John J. Ryckowski in the July 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. And a general history/photo article, "The Linde 40-foot Box/Tank Cars" by John Ryckowski in the same RMJ issue. As the Bowser car is out of the box, none of the XT details are present. Adding them to an existing painted car would probably result in a mess you wouldn't be proud to show off. It would be better to start with a stripped car body. Which one? Well that's a problem. Depending on the lots, Linde cars came with both 10 and 12-panel sides, and a variety of ends. Their heights also varied. You need to work from photos with the appropriate car body. As for paint, the green scheme appears to date from the late 1950s. For most of us steam-era modelers, the FCR red scheme with the diamond herald is correct. Champ used to offer the decals for this scheme. Bill Darnaby did a credible job creating the diamond herald from individual letters. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 10/10/2019 4:13 AM, Ben de Vries
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Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde
and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Model Help
rwitt_2000
The Sunshine hoppers wouldn't work [I can't quickly find the Inside Length.]?
twin bay chiseled side hoppers (Discontinued) Both series of cars were built by Pressed Steel Car so they could have done a run of the C proprietary design for the NP. Bob Witt
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Ray Breyer
Hi Don, I know of one article that's about to go to press, and I'm about to start on another (using your part on double sheathed cars). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:11:42 PM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: Erie coal gon
rwitt_2000
I also worked on this model, the original Lindberg version, to tried to lower the body relative to the underframe. I can't quickly find my model, but I recall I cut the floor free from the car body and was attempting to scratch build a new underframe to allow properly positions draft gear and body bolsters . My reference was the drawings in the Car Buildler's Cyc that were reproduced in the old Model Railroader Cyclopedia.
Never did finish the model. Bob Witt
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper
rwitt_2000
Marty,
This photo was captioned as a 2-bay rebuilt from the 4-bay. Bob Witt
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Re: Erie coal gon
Steven D Johnson
Tom,
What issue of RMC had that article?
Thanks,
Steve Johnson Nashville, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
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Re: Erie coal gon
Schleigh Mike
The ERIE 43000-45599 series 70 ton gondolas date from 1923-1924. Their top dimension was 9'-3 3/4" above the rail. The underside of the center sill was 29 1/2" above the rails. The Mantua model definitely needs to be lowered and their supplied trucks are nearly worthless. Equipment drawing says side frames were "Bettendorf" but photos would be more help with the proper truck to apply. These were interesting cars that originally came with steel floors and drop doors. Later some got wood floors while still others were converted to quad hoppers. Regards from Grove City, Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 12:36:06 PM EDT, Alice Devenny <atdevenny@...> wrote:
List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Nice job to Tom!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:57 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:36 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon List: I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Erie coal gon
Eric Hansmann
Tom displayed his Erie gon at MARPM. I didn’t get the best shot but at least it’s something. See the attached image.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alice Devenny
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Re: Erie coal gon
Alice Devenny
List:
I did the upgrade of the Mantua gon years ago, based on an article in RMC. The results are OK, but the car still sits too high, despite filing down the bolster and carving curved grooves in the floor to provide clearance between the flanges and the floor. If I were to do it again, I think I would cut curved slots in the floor to gain additional flange clearance and further lower the carbody to where it should be. Note that whatever carbody height you are able to achieve, it will still take some carving on the ends and floor to create a space for coupler boxes and some fussing to mount couplers at the correct height. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Good point, Eric!
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:18 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tim; Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <BlockedBlockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0>; -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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DL&W caboose circa-1931
Super-clean photo of a classic Lackawanna center-cupola wood caboose...
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DL&W 842... NPS Steamtown collection, circa-1931 The grabiron mounting details would be a trick to model... and note the substantial hasp for the end door. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
At 04:13 AM 10/9/2019, Paul Tupaczewski wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Eric Hansmann
It might not be available as a resin kit because there are many out there on the secondary market that were produced by Lindberg and Mantua. They need work but can be found fairly cheap. I have a pair in my stash that were bought for less than $5 total.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:08 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Tim; Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0>; -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Benjamin Hom
Doug Harding wrote: "It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?" The TrainLife site is buggy as hell. Some fragments of magazines can be seen on the original site, but the content was migrated to their new website (due to issues to the old site) where it was accessible until recently. Ben Hom
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Tim;
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Surprising to me, too, since in addition to your points, Erie is one of the roads that does NOT have the "kiss of death" moniker attached to it. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie coal gon Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length! On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote: Erie coal gon made from Mantua on my model railroad. Sent from my Verizon ASUS Tablet Attachments: * P_20191008_200729.jpg <Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/167257/0>; -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
It appears only the first 20 pages of the magazine are available. While the text can be seen for the following pages, the images can not. Has Train Life put a restriction in place?
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal. http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Eric,
Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.
Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Erie coal gon
Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!
On 10/8/2019 8:10 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Eric Hansmann
It looks like the original site links work, as Marty sent a working link for part two of Richard Hendrickson’s article that features the automobile boxcar versions. Here’s a working link for part 1 in the February 1993 Railmodel Journal. http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:43 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Eric,
Thanks for that info.I couldn't get it to open either.
Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 07:34:18 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The February 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal has an article on the prototypes for the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar. I'd post a link to the on-line mag but something is amiss with the Trainlife library magazine database at this time.
Eric Hansmann
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