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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars

Ben de Vries
 

Thank you Staffan, that saves me money!
Ben
 

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The GN car: Foobie! Nothing seems right but wheels and couplers. Accurail came closer 30 years ago except a fish belly side sill needing straightening and an overhanging diagonal panel roof to be exchanged. See attachment. 
 
Staffan Ehnbom
 
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM Ben de Vries <bernjuldevries@...> wrote:
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde
and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies!
Ben de Vries, the Netherlands

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Bruce Smith
 

Tony,

While I don't have Richard's collection at hand, I have looked through the photos I have and counted "new" versus "reweigh" stencils. The ones that are obviously reweighs outnumber the "new" by 61 to 36. I probably looked at around 250 photos.

Some caveats:
-I did not count builder's photos, only photos that were clearly "in service."
-reweigh cars were cars where the Lt Wt did not match either the build date or the tank test date
- new cars were cars where the Lt Wt did match either the build date or tank test date
- the photos range across many years and types of tank cars
-a reasonable number of cars did not seem to show any date with the Lt Wt.
-The majority (~2/3) of the "new" cars were not stenciled "NEW" but rather had no stencil or stencils such as MILT (and you know where that is 😉) Interestingly, AC&F builder's photos show either MILT or NEW.

My take-home is that my statement could be revised to "a majority have reweigh data", but I am tempted to note that since a number of the "new" photos were of clearly new cars in service, that would bias the count so that over their lifetimes, "most" might indeed be correct.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 

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ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.  

Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up.
And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Tony Thompson
 

No argument in general, but one point to keep in mind is that even when there is a reweigh date, it may be MANY years prior to the photo date, implying it was a repair date, not periodic reweigh. There are lots of those in Richard’s collection.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:12 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Tony,

While I don't have Richard's collection at hand, I have looked through the photos I have and counted "new" versus "reweigh" stencils. The ones that are obviously reweighs outnumber the "new" by 61 to 36. I probably looked at around 250 photos.

Some caveats:
-I did not count builder's photos, only photos that were clearly "in service."
-reweigh cars were cars where the Lt Wt did not match either the build date or the tank test date
- new cars were cars where the Lt Wt did match either the build date or tank test date
- the photos range across many years and types of tank cars
-a reasonable number of cars did not seem to show any date with the Lt Wt.
-The majority (~2/3) of the "new" cars were not stenciled "NEW" but rather had no stencil or stencils such as MILT (and you know where that is 😉) Interestingly, AC&F builder's photos show either MILT or NEW.

My take-home is that my statement could be revised to "a majority have reweigh data", but I am tempted to note that since a number of the "new" photos were of clearly new cars in service, that would bias the count so that over their lifetimes, "most" might indeed be correct.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
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ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.  

Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up.
And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Eric Hansmann
 

Could a tank car reweigh date reflect some sort of upgrade to the car, like a new tank?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On October 11, 2019 at 3:14 AM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

No argument in general, but one point to keep in mind is that even when there is a reweigh date, it may be MANY years prior to the photo date, implying it was a repair date, not periodic reweigh. There are lots of those in Richard’s collection.
Tony Thompson 



On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:12 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Tony,

While I don't have Richard's collection at hand, I have looked through the photos I have and counted "new" versus "reweigh" stencils. The ones that are obviously reweighs outnumber the "new" by 61 to 36. I probably looked at around 250 photos.

Some caveats:
-I did not count builder's photos, only photos that were clearly "in service."
-reweigh cars were cars where the Lt Wt did not match either the build date or the tank test date
- new cars were cars where the Lt Wt did match either the build date or tank test date
- the photos range across many years and types of tank cars
-a reasonable number of cars did not seem to show any date with the Lt Wt.
-The majority (~2/3) of the "new" cars were not stenciled "NEW" but rather had no stencil or stencils such as MILT (and you know where that is 😉) Interestingly, AC&F builder's photos show either MILT or NEW.

My take-home is that my statement could be revised to "a majority have reweigh data", but I am tempted to note that since a number of the "new" photos were of clearly new cars in service, that would bias the count so that over their lifetimes, "most" might indeed be correct.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
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ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.  

Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up.
And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh.
Tony Thompson 
Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

Yes, and repairs as well. Repainting could potentially be included in that list as well, but I have also seen many photos of tank cars that were obviously repainted, but had earlier reweigh (or NEW) dates.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
temporarily located in Birmingham, Al

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Could a tank car reweigh date reflect some sort of upgrade to the car, like a new tank?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On October 11, 2019 at 3:14 AM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

No argument in general, but one point to keep in mind is that even when there is a reweigh date, it may be MANY years prior to the photo date, implying it was a repair date, not periodic reweigh. There are lots of those in Richard’s collection.
Tony Thompson 



On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:12 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Tony,

While I don't have Richard's collection at hand, I have looked through the photos I have and counted "new" versus "reweigh" stencils. The ones that are obviously reweighs outnumber the "new" by 61 to 36. I probably looked at around 250 photos.

Some caveats:
-I did not count builder's photos, only photos that were clearly "in service."
-reweigh cars were cars where the Lt Wt did not match either the build date or the tank test date
- new cars were cars where the Lt Wt did match either the build date or tank test date
- the photos range across many years and types of tank cars
-a reasonable number of cars did not seem to show any date with the Lt Wt.
-The majority (~2/3) of the "new" cars were not stenciled "NEW" but rather had no stencil or stencils such as MILT (and you know where that is 😉) Interestingly, AC&F builder's photos show either MILT or NEW.

My take-home is that my statement could be revised to "a majority have reweigh data", but I am tempted to note that since a number of the "new" photos were of clearly new cars in service, that would bias the count so that over their lifetimes, "most" might indeed be correct.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
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ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.  

Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up.
And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh.
Tony Thompson 
Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Bruce Smith
 

Agreed! And our models should absolutely reflect this. 

Bruce Smith
temporarily in Birmingham, Al

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No argument in general, but one point to keep in mind is that even when there is a reweigh date, it may be MANY years prior to the photo date, implying it was a repair date, not periodic reweigh. There are lots of those in Richard’s collection.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:12 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Tony,

While I don't have Richard's collection at hand, I have looked through the photos I have and counted "new" versus "reweigh" stencils. The ones that are obviously reweighs outnumber the "new" by 61 to 36. I probably looked at around 250 photos.

Some caveats:
-I did not count builder's photos, only photos that were clearly "in service."
-reweigh cars were cars where the Lt Wt did not match either the build date or the tank test date
- new cars were cars where the Lt Wt did match either the build date or tank test date
- the photos range across many years and types of tank cars
-a reasonable number of cars did not seem to show any date with the Lt Wt.
-The majority (~2/3) of the "new" cars were not stenciled "NEW" but rather had no stencil or stencils such as MILT (and you know where that is 😉) Interestingly, AC&F builder's photos show either MILT or NEW.

My take-home is that my statement could be revised to "a majority have reweigh data", but I am tempted to note that since a number of the "new" photos were of clearly new cars in service, that would bias the count so that over their lifetimes, "most" might indeed be correct.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
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ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.  

Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up.
And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh.
Tony Thompson 

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New kits from YMW

Pierre Oliver
 

It's Friday, time for announcements
https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2019/10/and-here-they-are.html

These kits will be on the website after the Chicagoland RPM

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Re: Swift Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green’s Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I’m not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.

 

Maybe a good clinic session?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile
Re: Swift Reefers

Joseph
 

It would be interesting to collate this info with build dates. I realize this is the minefield, what with rebuildings and later acquisitions.  Paint scheme data is helpful

Thanks for posting

Joe Binish

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:53 AM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green’s Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I’m not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.

 

Maybe a good clinic session?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift Reefers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Interesting data, for your Swift cars

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Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green's Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I'm not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.



Doug Harding

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Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers? I seem to think so, but can't locate such. I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.



Maybe a good clinic session?



Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile
Re: Swift Reefers

Roger Huber
 

Sounds like some adventurous soul needs to get going on a book about the Swift cars. We have books on the PFE, ART and MDT reefers so now it's time for the Swift cars!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, October 11, 2019, 09:10:49 AM CDT, Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:


It would be interesting to collate this info with build dates. I realize this is the minefield, what with rebuildings and later acquisitions.  Paint scheme data is helpful

Thanks for posting

Joe Binish

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:53 AM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green’s Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I’m not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift Reefers

 

Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.

 

Maybe a good clinic session?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile
Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars

s shaffer
 

I would hope that $28.95 gets you a ready to roll car with metal couplers and wheels at least. I bought a four pack of Branchline Yardmaster Linde boxcars on ebay for $34 with shipping. I think Branchline was good about correct paint lettering.

I built one of the kits. No end door or vent modifications. Rolled and taped a piece of paper then wrapped it with flat side out aluminum foil and put in the box. Run it at the club with the one door just a bit open so the tank can be seen.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico
Re: Swift Reefers

Nelson Moyer
 

And don’t forget the SFRD book recently reprinted by the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sounds like some adventurous soul needs to get going on a book about the Swift cars. We have books on the PFE, ART and MDT reefers so now it's time for the Swift cars!

 

Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works

 

 

On Friday, October 11, 2019, 09:10:49 AM CDT, Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:

 

 

It would be interesting to collate this info with build dates. I realize this is the minefield, what with rebuildings and later acquisitions.  Paint scheme data is helpful

 

Thanks for posting

 

Joe Binish

 

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:53 AM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green’s Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I’m not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.

 

Maybe a good clinic session?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile

 

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Re: Swift Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Yeah, there’s some fool publisher that keeps doing reefer books.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 11, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Sounds like some adventurous soul needs to get going on a book about the Swift cars. We have books on the PFE, ART and MDT reefers so now it's time for the Swift cars!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, October 11, 2019, 09:10:49 AM CDT, Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:


It would be interesting to collate this info with build dates. I realize this is the minefield, what with rebuildings and later acquisitions.  Paint scheme data is helpful

Thanks for posting

Joe Binish

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:53 AM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Steve, Martin included a roster of Swift cars in his 2-93 article. That is the only list I recall ever seeing, beyond notes in Gene Green’s Color reefer book.

There was list of Swift cars in the 7-93 RMJ, listing cars seen and photographed in 1935. The author also makes reference to a list published in the 4-93 issue of RMJ. Alas the TrianLife database is not cooperating this morning, so I’m not able to confirm what was in the 4-93 issue.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift Reefers

 

Has anyone published any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers?  I seem to think so, but can't locate such.  I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93 article.

 

Maybe a good clinic session?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile
Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)

Dave Parker
 

ARA interchange rule 30 called for reweighing whenever a car was "materially changed by repair, alterations or repainting".  This applied to tank cars even though they were not subject to regular, period reweighing.

It's hard to imagine how repainting a tank car would significantly change the light weight (which was always rounded to nearest 100 lbs), and the Rule 30 language implies some discretion as to what a "material" change in weight might be.

My guess is that reweighing of tank cars were most frequently triggered by a swapping out of the trucks,  Until the mid-1920s, all tank cars were delivered with arch-bar or (less commonly) Andrews trucks.  These were eventually replaced with CSF trucks, either by rule (arch-bar) or due to owner preference (Andrews).

Other significant alterations likely included the addition of heating coils.  In their 1921 All About Tank Cars book, the Standard Tank Car Company indicates that the addition of steam coils added 1000 lbs to the weight of the car.

Conversion from KC or (KD) brakes to ABs is also an alteration that likely changed the light weight.  In addition to the changes in hardware and plumbing, alterations to the frame were needed to secure the three components of the AB system.

In some instances, these alterations might have been made concurrently, and perhaps in concert with more subtle "tweaks" to the tank car bodies (e.g., manway covers, safety placard holders, running boards, etc.)

My view is that whether or not a tank had been reweighed depended both on when it was built and when it was photographed.  A 1927 AC&F build might not have undergone any significant alterations until the AB brakes were applied, perhaps 25 years later.  But a similar car built three years prior would have needed new trucks to comply with the 1940 arch-bar ban.  There are many other scenarios that would have dictated exactly when a new light-weight would need to have been stenciled onto the car.
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Swall Meadows, CA
Re: Swift Reefers

Dave Parker
 

Steve and group:

I spent a fair bit of time trying to sort out the three series of wooden Swift reefers that were covered by the three variations in the Sunshine kits -- the 2500, 5200, and 6700 series, all of which are referenced in Martins Feb 1993 article.  My goal was simply to understand the genesis of these three series to facilitate accurate modeling, so I did not really delve into other significant groups such as the 3300-5199 series.  I relied mostly on my collection of ORERs that tend to be in ~5-year increments (1926, 1930, 1935, 1940, 1945, 1954).

ANAICT, the 5200 series dates to about 1931-32, and retained its original numbers into the 1950s.  Some very similar cars appear in the ORERs in the same period:  the 500-699 series that appears in Martin's tabulation, and the 1900-2499 series that does not (presumably due to renumbering).

The 5200 series doesn't appear in my ORERs until 1945, and may have been closely related to the 3300-5199 series,  Martin attributed these cars to the "late" 1920s, and my best guess is that the were originally numbered in 17400-19999.

The 6700 series purportedly dates to the mid-1920s, but again these numbers don't appear until 1945.  I had a lot of trouble backtracking this group through the ORERs, and really couldn't identify a likely series for these cars prior to 1930.  In the 1935 and 1940 registers, these cars may have been in 12700-15799.

My experience suggests that It will not be easy to construct an accurate time-line for the Swift roster, especially if the ORERs are the principle source of the data.  I have a few photo that help a bit, but am not aware of any company records that would shed better light.

Hopes this helps.
  --
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Close-out freight car parts offered FS

Andy Carlson
 

I have the following parts offered for sale. All are new HO. Prices do not include shipping. Several items are in limited supply.

Red Caboose
X29 undeframe with AB brake details (this sprue has 2 AB brake sets)         $1/each
X29 Creco style 3 panel doors                                        $0.75/pair
X29 4/5/4 Youngstown steel door                                   $0.75/pair
X29 wood running boards w/ laterals                               $0.75/each
X29 roofs                                                                          $0.50/each
'37 AAR Murphy rectangular raised panel 40' roof           $2.75/each
6' wide 5-panel Superior door 10'6" IH                          $2/pair
6' wide 5/6/6 Improved Youngstown Door 10'6" IH        $2.50/pair
   These I feel are HO's best version of this common door
SUPERIOR Power Brake set                                             $3/each
 

South West Scale doors
#750 7' wide 5-panel Superior door for 10'6" IH car                $2/pair
#610 6' wide 5/5/5 "Overnight" interim improved YSD for 10'0" IH $2/pair
#622 6' wide 6/6/5 "Upside Down" improved Youngstown door  $2.50/pair
#770 7' Wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#672 6' wide even space 7-panel Superior door 10'6" IH             $2/pair
#673 6' wide wide 3rd 7-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                $2/pair
#650 6' wide 5-panel Superior door  10'6" IH                               $2/pair     

Intermountain
5/6/6 Improved 6' wide Youngstown steel door                      $2/pair
5/6/5-T pre-war Youngstown 6' wide door 10'6" IH               $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught 3/4 "rolling Pin" end                          $2/pair
Improved Dreadnaught thin+3/4 "rollinPin"no pole pocket    $2/pair
PACEMAKER Dreadnaught thin+3/4 end w/ poling pockets  $3/pair
6' wide even space Superior door 10'0" IH                             $2/pair
4/5 early Dreadnaught 4/5 ends 10'0" IH                                $2.50/pair
8-rung ladders for 10'0" IH                                                      $2.50/set
Apex etched metal running boards for 40' box car                 $3/each

Buyer to pay $4 and up for USPS shipping by padded envelope 1st class mail. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. contact me off-list (Please) for availability and your shipping questions at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-andy Carlson
Re: early tank car photos

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Levi and List Members,
 
Thanks Levi for posting the images.
 
For others in the group, this link might take you to the right place...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early tank car photos

Thanks everyone!

I posted up some of the early tank cars in an album.

I'm also posting up my ACF Type 7 Hi Walk Collection.

I do also have a bunch of ACF Type X pictures if anyone is interested.

Thanks,

Levi.


Also, I have decals I had made up for some of those, including: The Texas Company, Peerless Tank Line 1804 (Single Dome Series), Morrell Tank Line, Rocky Mountain Oil & Fuel, and The Florence Pipe & Tool Company. All HO Scale.

Re: Swift Reefers

Bob Webber
 

When looking into this for a customer, we found 1 Swift order, and one proposed.

The 1910 Haskell & Barker order - Lot 113 - Cars 20200 - 20300 (note that in that same Lot, there were cars for Beechnut - No. 20301 - 20304). These cars were variously indicated as refrigerator and beef cars. In 1914, a proposed HB car was drawn up. Aside from that though... [Car 20300 is variously indicated as part of the Swift and Beechnut production]

Also, in terms of Reefer books, there is also the MDT book by Roger as well.

I thought someone - Mort? - may have done a Swift clinic at Naperville (or Cocoa?). I don't have the clinic sheets here. We can also check the various TSE, OERs, CBC and other usual suspects. But... we have very little on GACX which built reefers for Swift later. I have no checked my ACF Lot list either, though we know the car of interest is not built by them.

This sort of request is a reason we started scanning more of the large HB & Pullman drawings. Once completely annotated we can search fairly easily for such. The trick is finding drawings representing all the production - not so difficult for Pullman for the middle production (from 1900 through the 30s and 40s) but a little more difficult for Standard Steel and a lot more for HB. Eric's lists are very helpful on that one!

At 11:55 AM 10/11/2019, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Steve and group:

I spent a fair bit of time trying to sort out the three series of wooden Swift reefers that were covered by the three variations in the Sunshine kits -- the 2500, 5200, and 6700 series, all of which are referenced in Martins Feb 1993 article. My goal was simply to understand the genesis of these three series to facilitate accurate modeling, so I did not really delve into other significant groups such as the 3300-5199 series. I relied mostly on my collection of ORERs that tend to be in ~5-year increments (1926, 1930, 1935, 1940, 1945, 1954).

ANAICT, the 5200 series dates to about 1931-32, and retained its original numbers into the 1950s. Some very similar cars appear in the ORERs in the same period: the 500-699 series that appears in Martin's tabulation, and the 1900-2499 series that does not (presumably due to renumbering).

The 5200 series doesn't appear in my ORERs until 1945, and may have been closely related to the 3300-5199 series, Martin attributed these cars to the "late" 1920s, and my best guess is that the were originally numbered in 17400-19999.

The 6700 series purportedly dates to the mid-1920s, but again these numbers don't appear until 1945. I had a lot of trouble backtracking this group through the ORERs, and really couldn't identify a likely series for these cars prior to 1930. In the 1935 and 1940 registers, these cars may have been in 12700-15799.

My experience suggests that It will not be easy to construct an accurate time-line for the Swift roster, especially if the ORERs are the principle source of the data. I have a few photo that help a bit, but am not aware of any company records that would shed better light.

Hopes this helps.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Bob Webber
Re: New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Garth,
 
Thanks, excellent images!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:20 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Good Friends,

I have just added five new tank car photos to realstmfc_AT_groups.io, "Garth Groff's Album 5, Tank Cars", found on page 9. These include an NATX twin dome, and an AC&F high-walkway Type 7 survivor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff