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Re: When did USRE Rebuild begin to appear
-- My earliest photo of a car with the USRE "United States" map on the side is from 1962. The LS&I sold PS-1 box cars to USRE in 1961. And I have a note that says Tennessee Central 500-564 were leased from USRE in 1958. I evidently got this TC information from a letter to the editor written by Stephen D. Johnson and published in the May 1989 (or possibly 1987, I have conflicting notes) Model Railroading magazine. :-[ Eric Neubauer noted that the TC cars were from USRE "Lot 179" so I'm guessing that means they were already in business for a while. Tim O'Connor Tim, are you saying/implying that TC leased PS-1s from USRE? Or other types? Cheers, Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / Tennessee Central #8125
Benjamin Scanlon
Make that 3.6. Interesting railroad, TC. Like they transplanted a small NE anthracite hauler to the South. Thanks for the photo.
-- Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England
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Re: Swift Reefers
Jim Gates
Epstein's GATX history lists it as 1930. But it also lists ownership of 11,296 refrigerator cars at the end of 1930 and 17,910 at the end of 1931, so they may not have officially transferred the cars until 1931. Jim Gates
On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 8:10:04 PM CDT, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote: Guy: In his 1993 RMJ article, Martin gave the sale date as 1931. Hendrickson and Kaminski's billboard reefer book gives it as 1930. My 12/30 ORER doesn't exhibit any hint of the sale, but Swift is clearly listed under GA by 7/35. I can't offhand recall any other sources on this question. With best regards. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover
brianleppert@att.net
And the enlarged photo shows the two box cars ahead have some kind of roof hatches as well as other odd details.
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Swift Reefers
Dave Parker
Guy:
In his 1993 RMJ article, Martin gave the sale date as 1931. Hendrickson and Kaminski's billboard reefer book gives it as 1930. My 12/30 ORER doesn't exhibit any hint of the sale, but Swift is clearly listed under GA by 7/35. I can't offhand recall any other sources on this question. With best regards. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Swift Reefers
Tony Thompson
Guy Wilber wrote:
Swift sold all their refrigerator cars to General American sometime (I believe) in early 1937. Does anyone have an exact date of the transaction? And of course leased them back. .Tony Thompson _._,_._,_
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Re: Swift Reefers
Guy Wilber
Steve wrote:
“Has anyone published
any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers? I seem to think so, but
can't locate such. I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93
article” Swift sold all their refrigerator cars to General American sometime (I believe) in early 1937. Does anyone have an exact date of the transaction? Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada R,_
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Re: Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover
You are so right. I enlarged the photo further than before and I can now see that these are normal hatch covers.
Thanks. Bob Chaparro
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Re: Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover
lrkdbn
No, this car has standard hatches. What is making it look like SFRD style hatches is the hatch plug laying on the roof at an angle. You can see the wood outside covers at an angle opened to ventilate the car; the open end facing the end of the car. I also have the Pullman builder's drawing for the NRC reefers and it shows "normal" hatches.
BTW thanks for bringing all these photos to our attention as you do!!! Larry King
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Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover
Reefer: Reverse Opening Hatch Cover This photo from the Library of Congress shows Northern Refrigerator Car Company reefer: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839485/resource/ The car has two-piece hatch covers and plugs. I notice the hatch covers are in the "reverse position", similar to the design used on SFRD reefers generally before the era of mechanical icing machines. Was this a common feature of Northern Refrigerator Car Company reefers? Did any other companies/railroads use this design? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / Tennessee Central #8125
Steven D Johnson
OK, for the 2.6 people in this group interested in the TC, here's a photo of one of those ex-Lehigh Valley four-bay hoppers I mentioned in my post of 10/08/2019.
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Steve Johnson Nashville, TN
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven D Johnson Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 6:10 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper / some went to Tennessee Central and TP&W(?) I'm glad the topic of these LV hoppers came up (again). I have a keen interest in them because the Tennessee Central purchased 31 of these cars from International Railway Car Co. in 1956. They became TC nos. 8100-8130. As I recall, I have a photo in my TC files, and will scan and post it when I find it. Also, TP&W acquired some (at least I assume they are ex-LV), but don't have any information on their acquisition. Just have the attached image of no. 829. Chuck Yungkurth published a short article, "Lehigh Valley's composite quad hoppers" in the August 1997 issue of RMC. Included is a photo of one of the original composite cars and one of a rebuilt car, with HO scale drawings of both versions. I have several of the Lionel and Hobbyline cars purchased at train shows or on eBay. Would like to eventually upgrade the models and decorate them for TC. Steve Johnson Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Seders Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 7:55 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper? I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking.
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Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track (Weathering Models)
As I segue into weathering, Bruce Smith mentioned the use of Japan Drier as an additive for painting prototype cars. In the hobby world such additives also have applications for weathering. Artists oil paints can be used for weathering but these dry very slowly. The slow drying time also is a major complaint from modelers who don't want to wait days or even a week to work on their models. To speed-up the drying time of artists' oil paints, professional artists use additives. Japan Drier is one: https://www.sunnysidecorp.com/product.php?p=t&b=s&n=72416 White Courtrai Drier is another and this is what I use: I still have a lot of working time even with a drying agent but my projects usually are dry in just a few of hours. These additives are available in art supply stores, Michaels and Hobby Lobby. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
Lowell Dorman
The action in the photo is pretty well documented in Glen Guerra's excellent article on painting railroad cars in the first issue of O Scale Resource magazine. It's a free, online publication you can access at oscaleresource.com. Go to back issues and download the PDF issue #1. Lowell Dorman
On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 8:55 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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MN railroad maps web page
The state of Minnesota has detailed high resolution maps of railroads
in the state including valuation maps. You can search by RAILROAD to pull up station maps etc. Pretty handy - here's the web link http://dotapp7.dot.state.mn.us/eDIGS_guest/DMResultSet/Index I've attached a couple of newer Iowa DOT maps too. Tim O'Connor -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
Don,
What is he doing then?
You speculate that this is not painting but fail to give us any viable alternative. You also assume that the temperature is below freezing, when it could well be above freezing. I've spent many a lovely day skiing with temps in the 40s and 50s. At those temps,
paint could be formulated to function. Indeed, at this same time, the PRR had different formulations of paint based on the season that contained different ratios of components such as Japan Dryer. For a blow-your-mind kind of a moment, these ingredients had
an effect on the perceived color of the paint, and therefore it is likely that the as-painted color of the car varied with what season it was painted in 😉
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:53 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track The snow makes me really wonder if this is a paint scene or something totally different
as I find it hard to believe that anyone would be trying to paint in a temperature that is below
freezing. Even modern stains will not provide what is desired in such weather.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
The snow makes me really wonder if this is a paint scene or something totally different as I find it hard to believe that anyone would be trying to paint in a temperature that is below freezing. Even modern stains will not provide what is desired in such weather. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
If I were doing that painting, there would likely be both overspray and underspray as I would be in a hurry to get back to a warm crew shack. Note the snow on the ground. Chuck Peck
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:03 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track
Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track A photo from the Library of Congress: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsac.1a34633/ From the technique shown it's easy to imagine how a roof could receive some overspray. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Some B&O models and catching up
Eric Hansmann
My latest post covers a few completed models and some info on a few things that have been keeping me busy over the last month. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/10/12/time-out/ Eric Hansmann
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Southwest Scale Productions' Doors Reminder
Bill Welch
Just a reminder that the excellent Southwest Scale Productions' doors are very much available through their website: http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm
Just keep in mind that the proprietor also trains airline pilots and has to travel so there can be delays in shipping. Bill Welch Not a spokesman for SSP, just a fan
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