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Northern Pacific Hopper 70168 upgrade
Lester Breuer
I have finished upgrade of Northern Pacific hopper 70168. A Train-Miniature hopper with offset side side gussets corrected to seven from nine and Archer rivets applied to get correct rivet patterns. Other upgrade items include wire grab irons, brake gear after opening molded “B” end between braces, adding “B” end brake details as piping, train line, other under body details, and making decals for end numbers. If you are interested, photos and writeup of the upgrade including paint match are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/ Lester Breuer
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
spsalso
Oh, yes. The dimensions I gave were for the small stuff: "Fine". There's also a "Heavy". May be thicker, certainly wider.--didn't get any. THAT one might be better for banding.
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
spsalso
E Z Line is flat, not round. I measure it at .002" thick and .005" wide. If it's twisted (and it's hard not to twist it), that shows. It just might be a good thing for banding steel, though. It's 3/8" wide, in HO. Seems kinda narrow.
Also, the "rust" color fades to a clear green with a few hours of sunlight. It seems to take permanent marker well, though, as a repair. I am in the middle of using it to make a barbed wire fence about 5' long. It's probably the only thing to use if you're trying to recreate a fence in good order, where the lines are still taut. For my fence, I SUSPECT the twist in the E Z Line will not be noticeable unless you know to look. I do, and I can see it. Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
SamClarke
An old modelers trick (I’m sure many of you must know) is to melt and stretch a “styrene” sprue.
Use a piece of sprue a couple of inches long or more, hold the center over an open flame until one end droops then pull both ends stretching the melted center. You can regulate the thickness of the strand buy how fast and far you pull the ends apart. During the stretching you also can wrap it around a small bundle of pipe or logs or such. I wrap it around various sizes of tubes several times to represent coiled wire and if your careful wrap it slowly around a small tube to make coil springs. Once you’ve tried and tested this you can make many different things.
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Lester Breuer
Small piano or phosphor bronze wire as I used on this load is one way.
Lester Breuer
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Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development
Joseph
Don’t think so as the M&StL car is welded Joe Binish
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development
Was this style of GS gondola also built for other owners? It looks very familiar. Great Northern perhaps? Tim O'Connor
On 10/15/2019 12:13 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
Doug Harding wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
Here’s a link for magnet wire in many gauges down to 44 AWG. Convert AWG to your scale inches and you can get close to prototype dimensions for whatever application you need.
https://www.remingtonindustries.com/magnet-wire/?sort=bestselling&page=1
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:42 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:
Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8, 4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO.
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Jack Mullen
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:
I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8, 4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO. 40 AWG magnet wire, .0032" dia, is the smallest I see in a quick search online. A 2 oz. spool for less than $10 plus shipping will give you over 4000', enough for everyone at the Chicago RPM to do a few cars. ;^) As mentioned earlier, monofilament is available in similarly small diameters, but I don't see how you'd be able to twist the strands together. Jack Mullen
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Re: My railroad materials
Jake Schaible
I know it's been a few weeks since Jared asked "Any other suggestions I should consider?". But given the massive processing backlong at CSRM and the issues they have with space, wanted to add another idea to the mix. For the right material, I would encourage folks to consider the little know "Pacific Southwest Railway Museum" (PSRM, Campo CA) Southwest Railway Library". Founded on several sizable collections of documents from the SD&A, SP & AT&SF - and recently greatly expanded via a major gift of railroad materials from the San Diego History Center along with a major facilities expansion and grants for climate control, the PSRM archives now has the space and our doors are open for accepting sizable collections of original railroad documents.
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
I use black 1/64 in. chart tape for the steel straps. For wire, I use 32 AWG or 42 AWG magnet wire.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:56 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.
On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale. The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development
I'll send Joe what I have. Doug Harding Sent from my phone
On Oct 15, 2019 11:16 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote: Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW.
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Dave Parker
bob:
I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?). The EZ Line comes in 0.010" diameter, but that's 7/8" in HO. Both fishing monofilament and braided beading line can be had as fine as 0.003". -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development
Clark Propst
Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW.
CW Propst
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Patrick Wade
How about a single strand of lamp wire? I have used this for the harness and reins on an HO stagecoach.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Andy Carlson
Re-purposed armature wire from a broken model's electric motor. About as fine of wire you are going to easily find. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Richard Townsend
I have used wire from the core of a damaged small electric motor. A bit tedious to unwind, but it is really fine. I also have used wire from a Taser (it helps to be friends with the police chief - they practice with their Tasers) but it is not as fine. In both cases the copper color might be objectionable. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 8:48 am Subject: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.
The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
James Brewer
Bob, I'd suggest EZ Line from Berkshire Junction...http://berkshirejunction.com/subdirectory/ Jim Brewer Glenwood MD
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Bob,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Berkshire Junction EZ Line
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Allen Montgomery
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.
On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale. The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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