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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Lester Breuer
 

Small piano or phosphor bronze wire as I used on this load is one way.
Lester Breuer


Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Joseph
 

Don’t think so as the M&StL car is welded
Joe Binish

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Was this style of GS gondola also built for other owners? It looks very familiar.

Great Northern perhaps?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/15/2019 12:13 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Doug  Harding wrote:

One unique feature was the use of a Superior hand brake.

The hand brake of choice for the M&StL

Dan Smith

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Tim O'Connor
 


Was this style of GS gondola also built for other owners? It looks very familiar.

Great Northern perhaps?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/15/2019 12:13 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
Doug  Harding wrote:

One unique feature was the use of a Superior hand brake.

The hand brake of choice for the M&StL

Dan Smith

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Nelson Moyer
 

Here’s a link for magnet wire in many gauges down to 44 AWG. Convert AWG to your scale inches and you can get close to prototype dimensions for whatever application you need.

 

https://www.remingtonindustries.com/magnet-wire/?sort=bestselling&page=1

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:

I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).

Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8,  4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO.
40 AWG magnet wire, .0032" dia,  is the smallest I see in a quick search online. A 2 oz. spool for less than $10 plus shipping will give you over 4000', enough for everyone at the Chicago RPM to do a few cars. ;^)   As mentioned earlier, monofilament is available in similarly small diameters, but I don't see how you'd be able to twist the strands together. 
Jack Mullen

 


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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Dave Parker wrote:
I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).
Late steam era AAR loading requirements specify two strands of #7 wire, 3 strands of #8,  4 of #9, or 6 of #11, twisted taut. #7 ASW ga. is .177" dia, or .002" in HO.
40 AWG magnet wire, .0032" dia,  is the smallest I see in a quick search online. A 2 oz. spool for less than $10 plus shipping will give you over 4000', enough for everyone at the Chicago RPM to do a few cars. ;^)   As mentioned earlier, monofilament is available in similarly small diameters, but I don't see how you'd be able to twist the strands together. 
Jack Mullen


Re: My railroad materials

Jake Schaible
 

I know it's been a few weeks since Jared asked "Any other suggestions I should consider?".  But given the massive processing backlong at CSRM and the issues they have with space, wanted to add another idea to the mix.

For the right material, I would encourage folks to consider the little know "Pacific Southwest Railway Museum" (PSRM, Campo CA) Southwest Railway Library".  Founded on several sizable collections of documents from the SD&A, SP & AT&SF - and recently greatly expanded via a major gift of railroad materials from the San Diego History Center along with a major facilities expansion and grants for climate control, the PSRM archives now has the space and our doors are open for accepting sizable collections of original railroad documents.  

By the way, for those who have not seen our collection and trains, consider your self invited on Nov 16th, when we will be holding a rail fest to celebrate the 100 yr anniversary of the SD&A's own golden spike.  https://www.psrm.org/centennial/

 

 


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Nelson Moyer
 

I use black 1/64 in. chart tape for the steel straps. For wire, I use 32 AWG or 42 AWG magnet wire.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

 

I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

 

Allen Montgomery

 

 

 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Douglas Harding
 

I'll send Joe what I have.

Doug Harding
Sent from my phone

On Oct 15, 2019 11:16 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW.
CW Propst


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Dave Parker
 

bob:

I think the answer depends on what diameter wire you are trying to simulate (presumably in HO scale?).

The EZ Line comes in 0.010" diameter, but that's 7/8" in HO.

Both fishing monofilament and braided beading line can be had as fine as 0.003".  

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Clark Propst
 

Joe is also interested in obtaining photos of cars repainted by the CNW. 
CW Propst


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Patrick Wade
 

How about a single strand of lamp wire? I have used this for the harness and reins on an HO stagecoach.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Andy Carlson
 

Re-purposed armature wire from a broken model's electric motor. About as fine of wire you are going to easily find.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Richard Townsend
 

I have used wire from the core of a damaged small electric motor. A bit tedious to unwind, but it is really fine. I also have used wire from a Taser (it helps to be friends with the police chief - they practice with their Tasers) but it is not as fine. In both cases the copper color might be objectionable.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 8:48 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.
The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

James Brewer
 

Bob,

I'd suggest EZ Line from Berkshire Junction...http://berkshirejunction.com/subdirectory/

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

Berkshire Junction EZ Line

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.
The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Allen Montgomery
 

I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.

Allen Montgomery



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Bob Chaparro
 

I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale.

The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

Bill Welch
 

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 09:58 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
Joe Binish asked me to forward this to the list.  He is having some technical issues.
 
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz

 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "joe binish" <mstl852@...>
To: "Rich Remiarz" <rremiarz@...>
Subject: M&StL 30000 series gondola kit under development

 
Folks,
This car is under development.  I hope to have a look at the printed sides and maybe ends at the Lisle RPM.  Fortunately the trucks are already available.  I have no idea of pricing yet, or decal availability....
These cars probably made it to the CNW, since they were built in 1947 by GATC(30000-30499)
Between getting this car done and hoping for the Louie stock car, that should take care of the late steam era freight cars
 
I will keep you updated
Joe Binish
This is good news, great to see new people developing models.

Speaking of gondolas, according the the Lisle/Chicagoland RPM, Steve Furnaro will do a presentation on building a Monon gondola, which means he must be introducing this kit next week as I have not seen it on there website.

Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

Doug Paasch
 

Not only that, if you zoom in on the guy doing the painting, you can see the brown paint all over his gloves, sleeves, and jacket.

Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 3:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Painting A Boxcar On The RIP Track

 

Don,

 

I hope that you can appreciate that there are a lot of things that you have never seen that still manage to exist ;)

 

Thank you for the alternative explanation of sand blasting, and it has merit, but I do not think that it is correct. Here is the full sized image (clicked the link on the top right of the photo)

 

A careful look will show you that there is a stream of something exiting the tip of the pipe. Now, I’ll admit that it could be abrasive media, but I doubt it. The material appears to be the same color as the very, very freshly painted car side to the left of the worker, whereas to the right of the worker is a small amount of already prepped car side. In addition, there is no accumulation of any sort of abrasive material on the ground under the car. 

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



On Oct 14, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bruce,

 

    There is no speculation involved here at all. To me the man is NOT spray painting. Look hard at the equipment being

used. Have your or anyone else ever seen a spray gun with a nozzle at the end of a pipe some 8 to 10 feet long? I have

not. Anything is possible but we have a piece of equipment at one place I work that look almost exactly like what it seen

in the photo but it is a sand blast unit, not a sprat paint unit. Having a Doctorate in Inorganic Chemistry I have spoken

with Bill Aldrich about h the photo. He feels it "could" be a paint system but seriously questions its use outdoors in

weather cold enough to have snow on the ground. It would require well thinned paint and good pressure to keep the

paint particles for precipitating from whatever medium they were carried in and questions how long one could paint like

this without things plugging up badly as soon as the flow was shut off. It is too bad I cannpt enlarge the photo to get a

better view of it but It is going to take at least that to convince me this is not a sandblast rig very similar to the one I

am familiar with.

 


WTB - ends for MDC Roundhouse old time boxcar

Craig Bisgeier
 

Morning folks,

Recently learned I have a Roundhouse / MDC "Old Timer" boxcar kit without the car ends. This would be one of the newer kits with the separately applied end parts. I'd like to complete the kit, so does anyone have a spare A end, or both ends they'd be willing to part with? 

Color not important (unless its brown which would be a plus) since I'll probably repaint. Id even consider a complete donor car if thats what you have. Not looking tobpay a lot for it, just hoping someone has a spare part to share.