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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
The plastic insulation (sometimes nylon) of many kinds of “magnet wire” is NOT removable by lacquer thinner … or much of anything else either. However heating the wire to near red-heat (candle or lighter) will char the coating, making it easily removable with solvents or mild abrasion (sandpaper).
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
That works, but you can remove the lacquer insulation from magnet wire with a few wipes of lacquer thinner and do the same thing. The large array of wire diameters available as magnet wire give you more control of scale sizes.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of mvlandsw
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 12:42 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
For very small diameter wire without any insulating coating strip the insulation off of stranded wire used in decoder installations. This should accept chemical blackening.
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Corrugated pipes for loads are now made by Iowa Scaled Engineering.
Regards, Colin ‘t Hart Frösön, Sweden
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Mark Vinski
For very small diameter wire without any insulating coating strip the insulation off of stranded wire used in decoder installations. This should accept chemical blackening.
Mark Vinski
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
s shaffer
Tim O'Connor writes:
I just bought one of the kits on ebay. I had been trying to roll my own using heavy and extra heavy aluminum foil and different sizes of all- thread. Was not working well. I need to measure the thickness of the aluminum in the kit which are corrugated flat sheets that you roll around a wood dowel. Campbell Scale Models used to sell corrugated roof metal, but I do not remember how the corrugations were oriented to be useful for making pipe. Only other corrugated metal I have used was in the Suydam metal kits but that is too heavy to roll and somewhat course. Steve Shaffer Las Cruces, New Mexico
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Jaeger is the vendor - they don't make that pipe kit anymore. It was a GREAT kit I just wish they had expanded the product to include 3 or 4 pipe sizes - these are often shipped as smaller pipes inside larger pipes, because the pipes are relatively lightweight. I used Chartpak 1/64 for banding on the pipes.
On 10/16/2019 7:39 PM, gary laakso wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Yes it appears my message was in haste, warranting further research. I thank everyone for correcting my error and offering proof of much earlier use of metal strapping.
Based on this new information I too can begin using the chart tape on some loads.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
I love it. Every time we get a definitive answer to a question, new material surfaces to disprove it. I guess I’ll keep my steel strap aka chart tape.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Apparently its been around since at least the 1920, or even earlier: https://www.madeinchicagomuseum.com/single-post/signode Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- Doug Harding wrote: " The first patent for steel strapping was applied for in 1966." I won't argue with you about that, but I was using steel banding (strapping) in the Air Force in 1963.
Dave Beidle St Louis
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Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
gary laakso
Here is a picture of a Chad Boas GN flat car with an ancient, as in 28 plus years. load of galvanized pipe with straps. The vendor was Jamiko,( spelling), in a blue and white box. The material is a synthetic and came in a roll and was used both for a lumber load and for the galvanized pipe. Likely, the material is available in a craft store.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Northern Pacific Hopper 70168 upgrade
Lester, Good to see one of those old TM hoppers turned into something close to a prototype car. very impressive! Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 7:12:03 AM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Looking good Lester, well done!! Fenton On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:51 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote: I have finished upgrade of Northern Pacific hopper 70168. A Train-Miniature hopper with offset side side gussets corrected to seven from nine and Archer rivets applied to get correct rivet patterns. Other upgrade items include wire grab irons, brake gear after opening molded “B” end between braces, adding “B” end brake details as piping, train line, other under body details, and making decals for end numbers. If you are interested, photos and writeup of the upgrade including paint match are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Dennis Storzek
A few rambling thoughts on strapping vs. banding vs. wire...
Are banding and strapping the same? I think not. Banding is the general term for a much older product, which was soft mild steel. Back in my formative years, during the seventies I worked as a construction carpenter on several poured-in-place concrete buildings. We always had a roll of "band iron" for use in situations where form ties just wouldn't work. This was thin mild steel, and the "band puller" was a foot long handle with a hinged jaw at the end. You nailed down one end of the band and threaded the other through the puller, which was hooked around a corner and the handle used to apply leverage. The other end of the band was then nailed down. Two nails were enough; where the nail pierced the metal became a stress concentrator and the band would break at the hole before the nails would pull out. I still have my band puller in the garage somewhere, but I haven't had anything to pull with it in the last forty five years. Modern steel strapping is semi hard high tensile steel. You won't be driving nails through that. The beauty of the Signode system and those that came after is the design of the buckle and the tool that deforms the buckle and both layers of strapping where they overlap. Tension is provided with another tool that grasps both layers of strapping and pulls one over the other, then the crimp through the buckle keeps them from sliding back Wire (round steel wire, not cable) was the traditional tension tie because it could be installed with minimal tools. The wire, or multiple strands of wire, were looped around the pair of stakes and either spliced to themselves or both ends fastened to the same stake. A bar or pipe could then be inserted in the loop, and the wires twisted together. The more they were twisted, the shorter they became, pulling the stakes together and developing tension between them. The bar or pipe was then secured so the wires could not untwist. Simple and effective. Dennis Storzek
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NYSW 1950 or close ORER information
David
July 1950 gives 25 cars in series 5000-5491, no individual numbers. January 1953 is down to five cars: 5039, 5144, 5191, 5391, 5396.
David Thompson
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
Never mind. I figured out that I need to use the Permanent Ling to This Book URL. It’s now working.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:06 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
I downloaded and installed the download helper program, and when I enter the book URL, I get an invalid URL message.
This URL isn’t working. What am I doing wrong?
Nelson Moyer
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main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
This program will allow you to download entire books from hathitrust, even if you do not belong to a member institution. https://sourceforge.net/projects/hathidownloadhelper/
Doug Harding
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On Behalf Of Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Claus:
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
I downloaded and installed the download helper program, and when I enter the book URL, I get an invalid URL message.
This URL isn’t working. What am I doing wrong?
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:57 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
This program will allow you to download entire books from hathitrust, even if you do not belong to a member institution. https://sourceforge.net/projects/hathidownloadhelper/
Doug Harding
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On Behalf Of Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Claus:
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Circa 1950
On 10/16/2019 7:06 AM, earlyrail wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Steve,
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The reweigh on the NYC flat carrying the corrugated pipes appear to be “10-43” which would mean circa 1945 at the latest ;)
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
This program will allow you to download entire books from hathitrust, even if you do not belong to a member institution. https://sourceforge.net/projects/hathidownloadhelper/
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Claus:
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Nelson Moyer
I love it. Every time we get a definitive answer to a question, new material surfaces to disprove it. I guess I’ll keep my steel strap aka chart tape.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Apparently its been around since at least the 1920, or even earlier: https://www.madeinchicagomuseum.com/single-post/signode Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- Doug Harding wrote: " The first patent for steel strapping was applied for in 1966." I won't argue with you about that, but I was using steel banding (strapping) in the Air Force in 1963.
Dave Beidle St Louis
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Steve SANDIFER
36 gauge magnet wire, like we use on 403 LEDs.
By the way, when did the railroad begin shipping corrugated pipe like in the photo. Being a specific modeler, I want to confirm the time frame for such shipments. Likewise be careful of painting the ends of pipe or wood if you model the steam era.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:56 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
I would use leftover thread from a Jaeger lumber load. Or you could use Pele's electrician tape idea. Never had luck with that myself.
On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 8:48:31 AM MST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
I'm modeling several open car loads in HO scale. The prototype examples I'm following show that wire is used above the load to tie the top of the stakes that secure the load from lateral movement. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to simulate the wires? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Dave Parker
Claus:
Here is the link to the 1934 Loading Rules: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102184919?type%5B%5D=all&lookfor%5B%5D=Rules%20governing%20the%20loading%20of%20commodities&ft=ft Anybody can peruse the document on-line, but you need to belong to a member institution to download the PDF. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Dave,
Dave wrote: "I did find the 1934 edition at Hathi,
which is a great find for a 1934 modeler!"
Any chance you can provide a link so others can
have a look as well?
Thanks in advance.
Claus Schlund
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