Date   
NYS&W Hoppers (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48)

David
 

My gut feeling about the 10 cars scattered in the 33610-77138 series is they're not the horizontal rib cars based on the 30 ft IL and 1807 cu ft capacity, which seems kind of small for the horizontal rib cars.?? My guess is that they're probably Bob Karig's early common standard twins, but as always, a photo or full ORER entry would help.
The January 1955 ORER gives 30' IL, 9'2" IW, and 11'2" height to eaves. These are uncommonly tall and skinny hoppers for the 1950s. After thinking about it for a bit and playing a hunch, the ten cars are most likely ex-N&W class H1 series 33000-37999, 71000-72499, 74000-77267, late- 1930s rebuilds of what started out as their first all-steel drop-bottom hoppers in the Teens. ORER data is identical to the NYS&W group and the numbers align. N&W retired these cars circa 1949-51.

David Thompson

Re: is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

Dennis Storzek wrote, "The modern term in car building is camber" and that is the same term that has been used
for heavy haul trailers for years as well. One can see then on any Interstate in the US and Canada any day they choose.
On automobiles, however, the term hjas a different meaning.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Baltimore & Ohio early diesel lettering font

joseph nevin
 

The B&O's PostWar fonts were of inhouse design.  The  style was close to Railroad Roman, but the letters are elongated and terminated  with a bit more "florish" then the Roman lettering.  The B&O RRHS has a website (borhs.org) open to all, and in the archives section there are examples of the lettering.

Joe Nevin

Re: is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the responses on this – I learned something!  From now on, tightening will be my word choice. 

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] is "hogging" a correct word for adjusting truss rod equipped cars

 

Dennis Storzek wrote, "The modern term in car building is camber" and that is the same term that has been used

for heavy haul trailers for years as well. One can see then on any Interstate in the US and Canada any day they choose.

On automobiles, however, the term hjas a different meaning.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Hello All,

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

Thanks,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

mel perry
 

as a suggestion, try precisiion scale,
they are up and runniing
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 5:24 PM Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello All,

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

Thanks,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Jack Burgess
 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

They are also sold out. 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:09:40 PM PDT, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Jack Burgess
 

I think that they were purchased by a different hobby shop.

 

Jack  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.

    

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Ah,  ok. Thanks Jack!  I'll call Precision Scale direct as you suggested tomorrow.  

I appreciate the response.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:36:31 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


I think that they were purchased by a different hobby shop.

 

Jack  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.

    

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

rwitt_2000
 

Dennis,

Since these cars were constructed for paper or news print service would the shorter interior length of 50'-0" be the result of extra thick end linings?

I am curious what do the drawings show?

Bob Witt

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

mel perry
 

precision scale was purchased by the
prantiles of eltopia, wa, (spokane)they also have
a epay shop, j-tprantiles, good people
to deal with
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 6:11 PM Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
They are also sold out. 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 06:09:40 PM PDT, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Wasn't Precision Scale purchased by Blue Ridge Hobbies? If this correct I was told the were dropping this product from their offerings.
    

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 05:47:00 PM PDT, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


Here is their website…just call them and order what you need…

 

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Hello All,

 

I'm low on stock of the 585-31796 Retainer Valves. Does anyone know a hobby shop that still has these?

 

Thanks,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 12:38:14 AM PDT, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks all for good advise.
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bob,
 
Frank purchased the General Arrangement drawing from IRM Pullman Library to create his masters.  Copies of that drawing are available for purchase by anyone, just as Frank did.  The drawings at IRM are still the property of Bombardier and they do not allow them to be posted on line.  Each purchaser must agree to a license created by Bombardier stipulating this.
 
I have seen the drawing.  The inside length is 50'0" and the length over the underframe end sills is 50'2-1/4".  The side lining boards are 25/32 thick by 3-1/4 inches wide.  The side linings are nailed to 3 by 3 posts.  The 3x3's are recessed into the dreadnaught ends.  I don't see a dimensions on the end lining, but it is certainly thin, like the side lining.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

Dennis,

Since these cars were constructed for paper or news print service would the shorter interior length of 50'-0" be the result of extra thick end linings?

I am curious what do the drawings show?

Bob Witt

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 07:26 PM, mel perry wrote:
precision scale was purchased by the
prantiles of eltopia, wa, (spokane)they also have
a epay shop, j-tprantiles, good people
to deal with
mel perry
They've also done business for years as PF&S Railway Supply, as both a distributor and retail shop. I agree, good people.

Dennis Storzek
 

Re: Hey buddy, I got your Galvanized Pipe Load. . .

Tim O'Connor
 


what a gorgeous shot! I built two of the shorter ATSF flats from the Sunshine kits,
with those amazing underframes. this one is a 50 footer! nice.



On 10/22/2019 5:05 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Clark Propst shared this photo with me a few years ago: ATSF 90725 found in Manly, Iowa on 7-13-67.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

Bryian Sones
 

Ah yes, I purchase a lot of stuff from their ebay store. Good to hear and know they are the owners. They have good customer service and very prompt shipping.  

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 08:56:55 PM PDT, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 07:26 PM, mel perry wrote:
precision scale was purchased by the
prantiles of eltopia, wa, (spokane)they also have
a epay shop, j-tprantiles, good people
to deal with
mel perry
They've also done business for years as PF&S Railway Supply, as both a distributor and retail shop. I agree, good people.

Dennis Storzek
 

Re: Baltimore & Ohio early diesel lettering font

 

Jack R. & I put together the initial font and logo offering on the B&O RR Historical Society website 14 years ago. (Goodness, was it that long ago?!) I drew the "13 Great States" logo and Jack did the fonts. We scanned the original blueprints and used them as a guide for creating the digital versions. I've seen the "13 Great States" logo used on various model freight cars which is always tons of fun.  Another B&ORRHS member, Kenneth VM, put together the other fonts on the page. 

You can find them here:  https://borhs.org/Logos/bo_font_logo.html

Hopefully they will be of use to you. If you have any questions, let me know and I can hopefully help out. I don't get to the Archvies as much as I would like (kids, job, house, etc. get in the way) but I'm only 30m away so I can run up there if more material is needed.

____________________________________________________________
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD
Researching & Modeling the Georgetown Branch of the B&O in HO scale
http://sluggyjunx.com/rr/gb/

Re: SOO Line prewar 50 foot double door box car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 07:19 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Since these cars were constructed for paper or news print service would the shorter interior length of 50'-0" be the result of extra thick end linings?
Bob,

Steve Hile gave a more complete answer since he has viewed the P-S drawings and I have not, but it's my impression that the 50'-0" IL was a Pullman Standard thing, since the 50' P-S cars with 6' doors built in 1936 share the same IL, with a length over the strikers of 51'-2 1/2". The post war cars the Soo built at North Fond du Lac are 51-10 3/4" over the strikers with a 50'-6" IL, except insulted cars which are shorter inside due to the insulation in the ends.

Wandering into the future for a bit, I recall in the eighties, after Wisconsin Central Ltd. took over the old Soo trackage in Wisconsin, they were running the 50' exterior post cars built by the Soo in the sixties, which also had Dreadnaught ends, through the shops to add two reinforcing beams across the lower end to beef them up for roll paper loading. Apparently Dreadnaught ends aren't quite up to the rigors of paper service.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

 

Mel,

As a clarification, Eltopia is in central Washington, not eastern.  I used to go fishing in the Potholes area long ago, and we would pass through it on our way from the tri-cities.  I didnt want anyone to look for it on a trip to Spokane and be disappointed.  THAT would be terrible :>)

Best Regards,

Mike Aufderheide