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Re: Swift paint scheme

Dave Parker
 

As Steve noted, Swift apparently renumbered the 12000-12999 series cars into the 40000 series sometime in 1925.  But, the 12000 series was repopulated with cars sometime between 12/30 and 7/34 (based on my ORERs).  From then through 1945 at least, this series contained five or more sub-series with small variations in dimensions and capacity, suggesting a mix of cars from differing origins. It does not appear in my 1/54 register.

In addition, the switch from SRL to SRLX dates to 1934-35, with completion by 1938.  The photo of 12624 on the old steam era website (and on Wiki) has the SLRX reporting mark and KC brakes.  It also bears a full list of equipment on the car end, a practice that many owners dropped with the adoption of the 1927 ARA lettering standards.  Swift seems to have been an exception in that the early 1930s builders' photos in Hendrickson and Kaminski all show that list on the end.  Photos from the 1950s seem to show a more limited two lines of data on the ends.

If I had to throw a dart at it, I'd say that photo is late 1930s or early 1940s.   As to why it's FCC (or red) rather yellow, I have no inkling.

Hope this helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Swift paint scheme

Richard Townsend
 

Well that photo seems pretty definitive. Curiouser and curiouser. And another reason I wish I had gone to Chicagoland. Thanks for the info.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...>
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Sent: Tue, Oct 29, 2019 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

Richard a group of us gathered at Chicagoland last Friday to discuss the Swift reefer fleet. This included looking at photos both Steve Hile and I had collected. The photo you asked about is one that had us puzzled as it does not match any of known paint schemes. However I have seen one other photo that appears to have a Swift reefer with the same paint scheme.
 
Based on the Chevy billboard I would say the photo is circa 1952. Look at the reefer on the lower left. It appears to have the same paint scheme, dark color (red?) with while/light lettering. I can’t make out the number, but it is a four digit number and looks like it might begin with 4, which would put it in the largest block of Swift reefers in the early 50s, 3500-5199 with 1517 cars in the 1953 ORER.
 
The P/L schemes appears to be a solid red, with white lettering/font that matches the black lettering/font on yellow cars, right down to the word “refrigerator” on the right of the door. Which is odd as the word refrigerator is on the left side as well. The new 1950 P/L scheme was red cars with the white fascia board that had white lettering that with the word “Swift” in very large letters on the right side of the door, just like the red banner found on the 1948 paint scheme.
 
I going to guess that Swift experimented with their new red P/L scheme before settling on the final design. The car you asked about, SRLX 12624, has the small word refrigerator on the right side, not the large banner sized Swift. So this may have been a transition design that lost out to the large banner size “Swift”.
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme
 
I my on-going research into the Swift & Co. freight car fleet, I have found this photo: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/reefer/srlx12824main.html
 
I am in a quandary about its paint scheme. At first look the car appears to have dark sides with light lettering. Perhaps like the bright red cars with white lettering that included the large banner "Swift" to the right of the door. But the lettering on this car is the same style as used on Swift reefers two paint schemes before the all red sides.
 
On closer examination, I think there may be an optical illusion at work here. Notice the reporting marks and car number on the side. They appear to grade into a dark color. So I'm thinking the "lightness" of the lettering might just be an artifact of how the light is reflecting off the (glossy) paint used for the lettering. It might just be a yellow-sided car with black lettering.
 
What says the throbbing brain of the RealSTMFC group?
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 


Re: Swift paint scheme

Douglas Harding
 

Richard a group of us gathered at Chicagoland last Friday to discuss the Swift reefer fleet. This included looking at photos both Steve Hile and I had collected. The photo you asked about is one that had us puzzled as it does not match any of known paint schemes. However I have seen one other photo that appears to have a Swift reefer with the same paint scheme.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A86.16.109/from_search/0e627706c76dfa0bd1e3411e89500dfc-91

 

Based on the Chevy billboard I would say the photo is circa 1952. Look at the reefer on the lower left. It appears to have the same paint scheme, dark color (red?) with while/light lettering. I can’t make out the number, but it is a four digit number and looks like it might begin with 4, which would put it in the largest block of Swift reefers in the early 50s, 3500-5199 with 1517 cars in the 1953 ORER.

 

The P/L schemes appears to be a solid red, with white lettering/font that matches the black lettering/font on yellow cars, right down to the word “refrigerator” on the right of the door. Which is odd as the word refrigerator is on the left side as well. The new 1950 P/L scheme was red cars with the white fascia board that had white lettering that with the word “Swift” in very large letters on the right side of the door, just like the red banner found on the 1948 paint scheme.

 

I going to guess that Swift experimented with their new red P/L scheme before settling on the final design. The car you asked about, SRLX 12624, has the small word refrigerator on the right side, not the large banner sized Swift. So this may have been a transition design that lost out to the large banner size “Swift”.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

 

I my on-going research into the Swift & Co. freight car fleet, I have found this photo: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/reefer/srlx12824main.html

 

I am in a quandary about its paint scheme. At first look the car appears to have dark sides with light lettering. Perhaps like the bright red cars with white lettering that included the large banner "Swift" to the right of the door. But the lettering on this car is the same style as used on Swift reefers two paint schemes before the all red sides.

 

On closer examination, I think there may be an optical illusion at work here. Notice the reporting marks and car number on the side. They appear to grade into a dark color. So I'm thinking the "lightness" of the lettering might just be an artifact of how the light is reflecting off the (glossy) paint used for the lettering. It might just be a yellow-sided car with black lettering.

 

What says the throbbing brain of the RealSTMFC group?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 


Re: Swift paint scheme

Steve and Barb Hile
 

We have puzzled over this one, too.  Besides the Steam Era Website photo, I ran into it on Wiki site, too.
 
Here's my  two cents worth.  It would certainly appear that everything on the car end, from the fascia down to the end sill is the same color, presumably dark (freight car red), based on the lighter (white) lettering.
 
If you then look around the car corner, into the shadowed side of the car, the items that wrap around the corner, such as the facial and the corner strap are all darker in the shadow side.  So, I will assume that the whole car side is dark and the lettering is white, and not an optical illusion.
 
The 12000 series cars (with, apparently, fish belly underframes) are noted as being renumbered into the 40000 series as a footnote in the January 1925 ORER.  I understand that Swift had contracted with Quaker to do this conversion, which led to GAT's involvement, as it purchased Quaker later in the late 1920's.  So, that puts some upper date limit on the photo.
 
Other theories are most welcome.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

I my on-going research into the Swift & Co. freight car fleet, I have found this photo: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/reefer/srlx12824main.html

I am in a quandary about its paint scheme. At first look the car appears to have dark sides with light lettering. Perhaps like the bright red cars with white lettering that included the large banner "Swift" to the right of the door. But the lettering on this car is the same style as used on Swift reefers two paint schemes before the all red sides.

On closer examination, I think there may be an optical illusion at work here. Notice the reporting marks and car number on the side. They appear to grade into a dark color. So I'm thinking the "lightness" of the lettering might just be an artifact of how the light is reflecting off the (glossy) paint used for the lettering. It might just be a yellow-sided car with black lettering.

What says the throbbing brain of the RealSTMFC group?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Swift paint scheme

Richard Townsend
 

I my on-going research into the Swift & Co. freight car fleet, I have found this photo: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/reefer/srlx12824main.html

I am in a quandary about its paint scheme. At first look the car appears to have dark sides with light lettering. Perhaps like the bright red cars with white lettering that included the large banner "Swift" to the right of the door. But the lettering on this car is the same style as used on Swift reefers two paint schemes before the all red sides.

On closer examination, I think there may be an optical illusion at work here. Notice the reporting marks and car number on the side. They appear to grade into a dark color. So I'm thinking the "lightness" of the lettering might just be an artifact of how the light is reflecting off the (glossy) paint used for the lettering. It might just be a yellow-sided car with black lettering.

What says the throbbing brain of the RealSTMFC group?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Help with Manufacturer?

Chuck Cover
 

Thanks to all who have contributed to this inquiry.  The consensus is that it is a Silver Streak model that has been modified. 

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

Bill Welch
 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:19 AM, mel perry wrote:
i wonder if these are winross or tonkin?
mel perry
I tend to doubt it but no way to know for sure until the modeler can be found.

Bill Welch


Tom Madden

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Tom,

Please contact me off list to continue our discussion from Lisle.  I can't seem to send a email to you from your postings on this list.

Sorry to waste everyone's  band space.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

mel perry
 

i wonder if these are winross or tonkin?
mel perry


Evergreen Styrene Quality Control

Bill Welch
 

I often use Evergreen's 0.005 sheet styrene cutting it into any number of widths of strip or shapes (I have no actual life) and have through the years developed a feel for it. Recently while handling it I noticed it felt differently so I got my Mitutoyo Digital Caliper and found it to actually be 0.0065" thick. I have tried both calling and emailing Evergreen to let them know with no response.

Since then I bought some 2x2 styrene strip (#8202) and find it to be noticeably rectangular. Anyone else noticing slippage in quality control at Evergreen?

Wondering if anyone here might have a reliable way to contact Evergreen—maybe they know someone there? I am willing to make the contact, just need a way through the door so-to-speak.

Bill Welch


Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here is this year's overall display.  Very nicely done models
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 8:26 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

The display was much the same last year, with ten or so assorted Freightways trucks. Here’s a photo of one from the 2018 RPM meet …


Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:01 AM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

did anyone take a pic?
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 3:57 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I did not see an info card with those models.


Eric Hansmann 
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 29, 2019 at 4:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote: 

Does anyone know who had the wonderful Consolidated Freightways truck and trailer models at Chicagoland RPM26 last week? 

Going directly to jail for being off topic. . . 

Bill Welch

 






Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The display was much the same last year, with ten or so assorted Freightways trucks. Here’s a photo of one from the 2018 RPM meet …


Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:01 AM, mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

did anyone take a pic?
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 3:57 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I did not see an info card with those models.


Eric Hansmann 
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 29, 2019 at 4:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote: 

Does anyone know who had the wonderful Consolidated Freightways truck and trailer models at Chicagoland RPM26 last week? 

Going directly to jail for being off topic. . . 

Bill Welch

 






Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

mel perry
 

did anyone take a pic?
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 3:57 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I did not see an info card with those models.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 29, 2019 at 4:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who had the wonderful Consolidated Freightways truck and trailer models at Chicagoland RPM26 last week?

Going directly to jail for being off topic. . .

Bill Welch

 



Re: Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

Eric Hansmann
 

I did not see an info card with those models.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 29, 2019 at 4:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who had the wonderful Consolidated Freightways truck and trailer models at Chicagoland RPM26 last week?

Going directly to jail for being off topic. . .

Bill Welch

 



Consolidated Freightways at Lisle question

Bill Welch
 

Does anyone know who had the wonderful Consolidated Freightways truck and trailer models at Chicagoland RPM26 last week?

Going directly to jail for being off topic. . .

Bill Welch


Re: Help with Manufacturer?

rwitt_2000
 

Based upon the information on the HOseeker site [https://hoseeker.net/otherhotrains3.html] it appears Mainline Models never made a 40-ft reefer lettered for the ART.

I have no good guesses. I would suggest that the model is custom built and decorated with 3rd party decals. That said the basic model could from any number of model manufacturers.

They are nicely assembled and painted.

Bob Witt


Re: Fixing Shifted Loads

Bob Chaparro
 

Model: Load Shifter

Courtesy of Paul Koehler, these are photos of a load shifter built by the late Bill Topham of Glendale, CA, for his HO scale Silver Palace Lines. Although it is not an exact replica, Bill scratch built this from studying the load shifter located in Southern Pacific's Taylor yard.

Bill's father was an SP engineer so I assume Bill had good access to the Taylor Yard facilities.

The Silver Palace Lines appeared in the March 1982 Railroad Model Craftsman, the June 1977 NMRA Bulletin and other publications.

This model will be installed on Paul's layout, also in Glendale.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Piedmont & Northern lettering

George Courtney
 

Thanks, Bill.  Much appreciated. 

George Courtney


RPM Chicagoland 2019 Photos

Jeremy Dummler
 

All,

The following link will take you to a small gallery of photos from this year’s RPM Chicagoland over this past weekend.


I did not have a chance to photograph many of the fantastic models on display this year, but caught what I could.

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


Re: Wabash auto boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

I talked with Al Ferguson of Black Cat at the RPM. He can run the decal again if he gets some requests. Send him an email through the contacts on the Black Cat website. 
  

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Rob M. via Groups.Io <rule292@...> wrote:

Ted Schnepf of Rails Unlimited offers the Wabash car in O scale resin.  You might contact him and see if his decal source can downscale and print you a set in HO.  

Rob Mondichak 

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