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Re: Swift paint scheme

Richard Townsend
 

Some car shops had narrow gauge tracks for carts used to bring materials to the cars.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

Is that a narrow gauge, maybe 2 foot, track parallel to the car?  It sure appears to be flanges ways.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme
 
Wow, Bill, thanks for this documentation!  How did you ever locate this image?
 
Steve Hile
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Kelly
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme
This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
 




Re: Evergreen Styrene Quality Control

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bill and List Members,
 
Bill wrote: "I bought some 2x2 styrene strip (#8202) and find it to be noticeably rectangular"
 
Bill, I have felt this was always the case - the small dimension styrene strip square stock is slightly rectangular. When you think about it, this is actually somewhat reasonable - one dimension is determined by the thickness of the original sheet stock that the strip is cut from, the other dimension is determined by the sawing process used to cut the strip. It would be quite easy for one to deviate slightly from the other, even with a good faith attempt on Evergreen's part to make them the same.
 
The way I handle this is I take a strip out of the package, and then use a black magic marker to blacken one of the four sides. Then, as I do my construction, orient the strip so the blackened side always faces the same direction. It doesn't really matter which direction, as long as it is always the same. While this does not solve the problem entirely, at least all the strips applied this way have the error oriented the same way, and this helps lessen the impact of the problem.
 
As an aside, I'll say this: Bill, I've greatly appreciated your tutorial type posts to this list, they have helped me expand my modeling skills, I feel honored to be able to return that gift if even in the smallest of ways.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 10:44 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Evergreen Styrene Quality Control

I often use Evergreen's 0.005 sheet styrene cutting it into any number of widths of strip or shapes (I have no actual life) and have through the years developed a feel for it. Recently while handling it I noticed it felt differently so I got my Mitutoyo Digital Caliper and found it to actually be 0.0065" thick. I have tried both calling and emailing Evergreen to let them know with no response.

Since then I bought some 2x2 styrene strip (#8202) and find it to be noticeably rectangular. Anyone else noticing slippage in quality control at Evergreen?

Wondering if anyone here might have a reliable way to contact Evergreen—maybe they know someone there? I am willing to make the contact, just need a way through the door so-to-speak.

Bill Welch


Re: Swift paint scheme

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,

It was not uncommon for RIP tracks to have these narrow gauge tracks for hand carts to haul materials.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:45 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Is that a narrow gauge, maybe 2 foot, track parallel to the car?  It sure appears to be flanges ways.
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme
 
Wow, Bill, thanks for this documentation!  How did you ever locate this image?
 
Steve Hile
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Kelly
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
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Re: Swift paint scheme

Brent Greer
 

Just playing the uninformed Devil's advocate, is it at all possible that there was some kind of test involved here that had the opposite sides of this car painted in different schemes?  (Just questioning the white lettering on the end of the car and the reason it might have gotten the 360 view photo documentation)

Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme
 
Wow, Bill, thanks for this documentation!  How did you ever locate this image?
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Kelly
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
 



Re: Swift paint scheme

gary laakso
 

Is that a narrow gauge, maybe 2 foot, track parallel to the car?  It sure appears to be flanges ways.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

 

Wow, Bill, thanks for this documentation!  How did you ever locate this image?

 

Steve Hile

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Kelly
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.

Later,

Bill Kelly

 

 





Re: Swift paint scheme

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Wow, Bill, thanks for this documentation!  How did you ever locate this image?
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Kelly
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift paint scheme

This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
 



Re: Swift paint scheme

Bill Kelly
 


This photo should help with all the speculation. It is the other side of the car apparently taken at the same time. Different lighting, different results.  The car number is 12824.
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden, PRR X31A 79156 (w/ roof hatches) was photographed in Pueblo Colorado.

On 10/31/2019 12:58 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Gang;

I looked through my materials and only found two instances on the PRR:

X29K sub-class with round roof hatches; apparently in loose flour service, and,

X31A small number of random cars in coal tar chip service, like the attached I modeled.

Elden Gatwood
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Tim O'Connor
 

Fred

Overland imported original and rebuilt cars, including a single door version.



On 10/31/2019 11:04 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Chicagoland RPM Handouts

gtws00
 

Don,
I use Chrome for a Browser. When select each one to download, they go to my download folder and I retrieve them from that location
In my Chrome Browser, they also show at the very bottom left hand side of the browser
George Toman


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Charlie Vlk
 

Could be for hauling dried processed sewage from the IC subsidiary Illinois Northern which could get it from the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Chicago.   The MSDC had their own dump cars which presumably hauled the wet “product” to dumps on the IN and there, after drying, it was further processed.   I know you could get dump truck loads of the stuff delivered in the Chicago area; don’t know if it was bagged and shipped elsewhere or if it was shipped bulk without packaging out of the area.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

 

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad.  I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photos: Reefers Refrigerated With Drumgold And Glenn Brine System

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Chicagoland RPM Handouts

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 31, 2019, at 08:31, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jeff, and all;

A fertilizer sludge car was, unfortunately, exactly what it sounds like: an old car on its last legs, converted to haul liquid feces waste from the fertilizer process, lined and coated inside with tar, with roof hatches and bottom outlets. I remember a few of these from my childhood, rolling by, dripping profusely, and driving me away from trackside.

The box car version of an offal car, with a different, but equally vile aroma.

Just the thing for a layout, with "Real Smell technology".

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad. I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:


Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

I looked through my materials and only found two instances on the PRR:

X29K sub-class with round roof hatches; apparently in loose flour service, and,

X31A small number of random cars in coal tar chip service, like the attached I modeled.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad. I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:


Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Jeffrey White
 

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad.  I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

mopacfirst
 

Add T&P, for maybe 5 cars.

Ron Merrick


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Craig Wilson
 

Beyond the scope of this list but . . . these cars relate to the subject line and the cars have built dates prior to 1960.

In 1965 Canadian National modified 40-foot boxcars with roof hatches for potash loading (Melville Sask).  These cars were routed to smaller co-ops and elevators (including in the US) that could not handle the larger 100-ton covered hoppers.  The rectangular hatches were underneath the running boards second panel in from the ends.

CN 440000-440199:  10-0 IH cars, NSC-2 ends, rectangular panel roof, 6-foot doors, blt 1945
Photo on p. 6 of Canadian Rail Car Pictorial, Vol 2 A, by Richard Yaremko

CN 442000-442099:  10-6 IH cars, NSC-3 ends, combination roof*, 8-foot doors, blt 1957
Photo on p. 26 of Canadian Rail Car Pictorial, Vol 2 A, by Richard Yaremko
*Interesting looking roof:  center panels NSC style (look like PS bowtie panels), second panel in from the ends rectangular shape and have hatches under the running board, outermost panels blank.  Elgin Car Shops (Yarmouth) makes a model of the unmodified version of this car.

Captions in the books indicate that these car were in service 1965-1990.

Craig Wilson


Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Fred this car was converted from the double  door auto car.  I have both cars.  The Overland car was well done except for the underframe.  After Lysle last year I drove down to the Monticello Rail Museum where they had an auto car.  Wouldn't you know that my camera battery was dead when I got there.  Did get some photos on my phone.

I questioned the single door version a few years ago on this list and got a great photo from  one of the members.

I have more information at home but am currently having my morning coffee in San Francisco.  Will be home on the weekend if you need any more information.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Date: 10/31/19 8:04 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz


Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Fred Jansz
 

Thank you Ben! It's a 76000-series car indeed.
According to BT, OMI made a few variations, probably the previous owner grabbed the wrong box.
Now let's see if I can score that steel dd car too!
regards
Fred Jansz
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