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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Douglas Harding
 

The photo shows a portable corn sheller mounted on the back of a truck. The farmer is shoveling corn into the sheller, which is blowing the shelled corn into the boxcar and dumping the cobs on the ground.

 

Corn cobs were a valuable commodity well after WWII. The CNW built a cob unloading device in Colo IA in 1956, (drawing attached) And I have people who remember the cob pile in town. I also know Belle Plaine IA had a large cob pile and shipped out cobs on the CNW well into the 60s & 70s. I understood they went to a cosmetics company.

 

Cobs were also used as a biodegradable sand blasting material, animal bedding, and today for ethanol production.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Smith
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

 

Nice pic of car loading with ground corn cobs. I read that corn cobs used during the war effort I believe it had something to do with plastics manufacturing??? Several articles indicated local elevators shipping corn cobs for the war effort.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34348/rec/62

No location but somewhere in the central Illinois area.
5/4/44 IDA Pantagraph Collection
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Bill Kelly
 


NIPX 8 is listed in the 1936 Freight Tariff No. 300-A, capacities of tank cars. The owner is Northern Indiana Public Service Co. It is listed as an insulated two compartment car equipped with heater coils having a total capacity of 9901 gallons. The A compartment is 4952 gal with a 226 gal dome, the B compartment is 4949 gal with a 226 gal dome. There is also a no.6 and a no.7, both with very similar descriptions. Sure sounds like this car. Anybody have info on it after 1936 ?
Later,
Bill Kelly
 
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:55:12 +0000 "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> writes:
 
Fred,

Just to be 100% clear, NIPX 8 did not exist in the 1950s. That’s a “post-modern” reporting mark for this list ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce and Tim.
Checked the historic files of this group and decided I will paint & letter for NIPX 8.
We can't ask Arnt anymore, but Jeff Lemke has a huge OMI database, maybe he comes up with more details?
regards, Fred Jansz



Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

al_brown03
 

The 5/1936 tank car tariff lists Northern Indiana Public Service as having three 10,000-gallon two-compartment tank cars, NIPX 6-8. They *don't* appear in the 1/1943 ORER.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson




Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson




Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Bruce Smith
 

Fred,

Just to be 100% clear, NIPX 8 did not exist in the 1950s. That’s a “post-modern” reporting mark for this list ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce and Tim.
Checked the historic files of this group and decided I will paint & letter for NIPX 8.
We can't ask Arnt anymore, but Jeff Lemke has a huge OMI database, maybe he comes up with more details?
regards, Fred Jansz


Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Jake Schaible
 

Perhaps Nitrocellulose (also known as cellulose nitrate, flash paper, flash cotton, guncotton)?  


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks Bruce and Tim.
Checked the historic files of this group and decided I will paint & letter for NIPX 8.
We can't ask Arnt anymore, but Jeff Lemke has a huge OMI database, maybe he comes up with more details?
regards, Fred Jansz


Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Dave Parker
 

The photo caption is a bit ambiguous, and maybe confusing.  It looks like the feedstock in the truck is corncobs; the whole ears were presumably shelled elsewhere and the grain used for feed (or seed).  Here, the "waste" cobs are being ground down to a smaller size with a large hammer-mill.

A very quick Google search does support their use for plastics during WWII, although the details are murky, presumably due to military security issues.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3437753/corn_cobs_for_war_via_rail/

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce and Fred

Since Tom Marsh lived in Indiana, he may have been out one day and saw NIPX 8
a tank car owned by the Indiana Public Service utility and decided to measure it.

I suspect it had an earlier life (1930's) and the Overland brass image represents
it late in life. I agree with Bruce it's an extremely rare type of car, and the
model may even represent a unique prototype.

I've attached another much more modern insulated 2-dome photo to show there was
more than one of the type :-)




On 11/4/2019 8:56 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Fred,

This model appears to be OMI #3230, and has been discussed a number of times on this list. Some brief observations. First, two-compartment tank cars are rare. Two compartment insulated tank cars, such as this, are vanishingly rare. Two compartment, 10K, GATC built insulated cars? This car may represent a single car with a history that is difficult to trace. If you go back to post #135461, you will get the history of this model. Richard Hendrickson indicated that he had NEVER seen a photo of a GATC 10K insulated two-compartment tank in revenue service. That's not promising for this model. Second, if it is the model I think it is, good luck actually getting it to run (made by Cheyenne, China, not Ajin, Korea). The couplers are significantly over height and there is no easy fix for that. I am told that the trucks interfere with the underbody rigging and that the trucks are grossly too wide.

Is it correct for your era? Yes, probably.

Appropriate paint and lettering? Nobody knows (that's the good news) so maybe just use the Black Cat GATX decals, and paint it black and number it in the GATX two compartment series.

I would consider an alternative, which is to sell it and get a useful model 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 3:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
 
Gents,
purchased this OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car recently.
However, I have no info about these cars at all regarding time span and paint schemes.
I model/collect 1950 (the year).
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you, best regards,
Fred Jansz


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


only exact match afaik



On 11/4/2019 4:32 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Gents,
purchased this OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car recently.
However, I have no info about these cars at all regarding time span and paint schemes.
I model/collect 1950 (the year).
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you, best regards,
Fred Jansz

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith
 

Tony,

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

Regards
Bruce


Richard Hendrickson
06/22/11   

On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:35 PM, spsalso wrote:

The subject of this model last came up, as far as I can find out,
on this list back in '04. I thought I would myself submit it again.
The discussion in '04 was pretty much wrapped up by this comment by
Mr. Hendrickson:

"Ted, the prototype for this model was a car that Tom Marsh found
intact but
out of service in the Chicago area. Its last owner had been a private
shipper (a chemical co., IIRC) which didn't exist during the era
this list
covers, so the car was obviously second-hand. I've never seen a
photo of a
car of this design in revenue service. 10,000 gal. two-compartment
tank
cars were extremely rare, whether insulated or not."

So, 7 years later, I'm wondering if there's any more info on this
car. Or a photo (even if it is post-list).
Edward Sutorik
Ed, Since my '04 message, I've seen no additional information or
photos on an in-service prototype for this model. Sorry!

Richard Hendrickson

On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:

 This car may represent a single car with a history that is difficult to trace. If you go back to post #135461, you will get the history of this model. Richard Hendrickson indicated that he had NEVER seen a photo of a GATC 10K insulated two-compartment tank in revenue service. 

    Um, no. The prototype photo of this car was indeed provided by Richard to OMI, as were photos of all the cars they did in this run of various tank cars. He did say once that he wasn't entirely thrilled with the ones they picked to model, but he was the source.

Tony Thompson





Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

 This car may represent a single car with a history that is difficult to trace. If you go back to post #135461, you will get the history of this model. Richard Hendrickson indicated that he had NEVER seen a photo of a GATC 10K insulated two-compartment tank in revenue service. 

    Um, no. The prototype photo of this car was indeed provided by Richard to OMI, as were photos of all the cars they did in this run of various tank cars. He did say once that he wasn't entirely thrilled with the ones they picked to model, but he was the source.

Tony Thompson




PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.

Matt Smith
 

Nice pic of car loading with ground corn cobs. I read that corn cobs used during the war effort I believe it had something to do with plastics manufacturing??? Several articles indicated local elevators shipping corn cobs for the war effort.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34348/rec/62

No location but somewhere in the central Illinois area.
5/4/44 IDA Pantagraph Collection
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Looking for way back issues of Railroad Model Craftsman

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Thanks for the suggestions. However this list is full of great people and thus I already have copies of the desired articles in my inbox!  So thank you all very much!

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:13 AM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

The NMRA Library has Archive of most major hobby publications,  and will provide copies - to non-members as well, if I recall correctly.

I used that service, admittedly years ago. 

Steve


Re: Looking for way back issues of Railroad Model Craftsman

steve_wintner
 

The NMRA Library has Archive of most major hobby publications,  and will provide copies - to non-members as well, if I recall correctly.

I used that service, admittedly years ago. 

Steve


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10, 000 Gal double dome tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

I don't remember the car number, but Richard Hendrickson and I discussed it, and he sent a photocopy of the prototype. It was lettered "NIPX", for Northern Indiana Public Utilities, IIRC. The car was of approx. 1930 vintage, and had very unusual dome appliances, but does look like a GATC car.

Yes they are rare, but not unheard of. I have seen at least 2 other examples, both in coal byproducts service.

Given no one has photos of ALL tank cars, I like Bruce's suggestion....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 8:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10, 000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred,

This model appears to be OMI #3230, and has been discussed a number of times on this list. Some brief observations. First, two-compartment tank cars are rare. Two compartment insulated tank cars, such as this, are vanishingly rare. Two compartment, 10K, GATC built insulated cars? This car may represent a single car with a history that is difficult to trace. If you go back to post #135461, you will get the history of this model. Richard Hendrickson indicated that he had NEVER seen a photo of a GATC 10K insulated two-compartment tank in revenue service. That's not promising for this model. Second, if it is the model I think it is, good luck actually getting it to run (made by Cheyenne, China, not Ajin, Korea). The couplers are significantly over height and there is no easy fix for that. I am told that the trucks interfere with the underbody rigging and that the trucks are grossly too wide.

Is it correct for your era? Yes, probably.

Appropriate paint and lettering? Nobody knows (that's the good news) so maybe just use the Black Cat GATX decals, and paint it black and number it in the GATX two compartment series.

I would consider an alternative, which is to sell it and get a useful model 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

________________________________

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 3:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Gents,
purchased this OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car recently.
However, I have no info about these cars at all regarding time span and paint schemes.
I model/collect 1950 (the year).
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you, best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Bruce Smith
 

Fred,

This model appears to be OMI #3230, and has been discussed a number of times on this list. Some brief observations. First, two-compartment tank cars are rare. Two compartment insulated tank cars, such as this, are vanishingly rare. Two compartment, 10K, GATC built insulated cars? This car may represent a single car with a history that is difficult to trace. If you go back to post #135461, you will get the history of this model. Richard Hendrickson indicated that he had NEVER seen a photo of a GATC 10K insulated two-compartment tank in revenue service. That's not promising for this model. Second, if it is the model I think it is, good luck actually getting it to run (made by Cheyenne, China, not Ajin, Korea). The couplers are significantly over height and there is no easy fix for that. I am told that the trucks interfere with the underbody rigging and that the trucks are grossly too wide.

Is it correct for your era? Yes, probably.

Appropriate paint and lettering? Nobody knows (that's the good news) so maybe just use the Black Cat GATX decals, and paint it black and number it in the GATX two compartment series.

I would consider an alternative, which is to sell it and get a useful model 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 3:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
 
Gents,
purchased this OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car recently.
However, I have no info about these cars at all regarding time span and paint schemes.
I model/collect 1950 (the year).
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you, best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Looking for way back issues of Railroad Model Craftsman

Eric Hansmann
 

If you are an NMRA member, a request to the library might yield some photocopies.

At least that's what I've been told is a membership benefit.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On November 4, 2019 at 6:28 AM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:

to anyone looking for rmc's ftom the
carsten era, don't look to white river,
they dumped everything, your choices
are, ebay, railroad treasures or the nmra
library, yes they have a collection of
some what, from estates
good luck
mel perry

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 5:22 AM Bruce Smith < smithbf@...> wrote:
Folks,

I am looking for articles from two back issues of RMC by Al Turner
Railroad Model Craftsman January 1987 p. 56
Railroad Model Craftsman February 1987 p. 73

White River Productions has not been able to provide these from their archives. The articles are on powering MDC's static HON3 2-4-4-2, which, of course, would be used to haul freight cars.

Please respond to me off list at smithbf at auburn.edu

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




 



Re: Looking for way back issues of Railroad Model Craftsman

mel perry
 

to anyone looking for rmc's ftom the
carsten era, don't look to white river,
they dumped everything, your choices
are, ebay, railroad treasures or the nmra
library, yes they have a collection of
some what, from estates
good luck
mel perry

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 5:22 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Folks,

I am looking for articles from two back issues of RMC by Al Turner
Railroad Model Craftsman January 1987 p. 56
Railroad Model Craftsman February 1987 p. 73

White River Productions has not been able to provide these from their archives. The articles are on powering MDC's static HON3 2-4-4-2, which, of course, would be used to haul freight cars.

Please respond to me off list at smithbf at auburn.edu

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL