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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 09:24 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:It looks like it's captive to the powe plant already. To the left it's coupled to a Plymouth industrial switcher; on the right to an interurban freight motor or other work car. Note the radial drawbar on the interurban. Dennis Storzek
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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Richard Townsend
Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-KVcTQg9/A Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the
party. But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank
car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement
drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF. The
10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324. For reasons that I can't
explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX
standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that
the UTLX standard X-3 design.
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX
book...
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to
me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into
the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his
Overland model from his estate. It has been painted and numbered into the
above series, and I am proud to own it.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am
proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave me reason to
question them. They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished
as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a
Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next
to the Overland car. I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were
smaller than the Overland car.
I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large
platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but none found a
prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that
exactly matched the
Overland car. Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing
the car.
My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6'
too short. This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was
correct.
These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models
that they produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase
of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.
Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with
the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.
Bill Pardie
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone
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From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Bruce Smith wrote:
You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model
design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
At one point he pulled out his prints of all the
photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which
we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a
source of info for OMI.
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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the
party. But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank
car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement
drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF. The
10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324. For reasons that I can't
explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX
standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that
the UTLX standard X-3 design.
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX
book...
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to
me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into
the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his
Overland model from his estate. It has been painted and numbered into the
above series, and I am proud to own it.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am
proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave me reason to
question them. They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished
as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a
Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next
to the Overland car. I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were
smaller than the Overland car.
I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large
platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but none found a
prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that
exactly matched the
Overland car. Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing
the car.
My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6'
too short. This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was
correct.
These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models
that they produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase
of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.
Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with
the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.
Bill Pardie
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone -------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Bruce Smith wrote:
You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model
design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
At one point he pulled out his prints of all the
photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which
we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a
source of info for OMI. Tony Thompson
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Re: RPM Chicagoland summary
Thanks for sharing your fantastic presentation on UP freight cars Dick. Wow!
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On 11/6/2019 7:50 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:
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D&RGW Society Vol 18 #4 Prospector article
Just FYI -
This issue has a 27 page article on Rio Grande's Pressed Steel box cars! Lots of photos including some in color. -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
John Barry
Fred, From the 1936 tank car capacity tariff NIPX 6, 7 & 8 were heater coil equipped two compartment cars with shippers gauge shell/dome capacities as follows: NIPX 6 A-4951/226, B-4948/226, total-9899/452 NIPX 7 A-4950/226, B-4953/226, total-9903/452 NIPX 8 A-4952/226, B-4949/226, total-9901/452 Multiple compartment domes usually had the compartment ID and shell capacity on the side. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 4:38:17 AM EST, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: To all interested, When pictured by H.A. Gerritsen in ca. 1988, NIPX 8 was a 'toxic waste' car serving as such on the NIPCO property, Michigan City, Indiana. Where the other two cars went to after their last appearance in the 1936 ORER, is a mystery, but I guess back into the GATX pool until retirement at some date. Capy is 100000 LT WT 60800 CH 7-57 Asked Brian Marsh if he could check the archives for the original pics made by Mr. Gerritsen. Would like to see what's on the domes so I can make some decals for them (probably TANK A and tech specs and TANK B and tech specs). NB: if the car was built in 1930 by GATC and photographed in 1988, it was operating and 'kind of lost' in my year 1950, probably illegally dumping it's toxic waste in the beautiful Feather River on my future layout.... I'm so sorry, but that's how it was in 1950 (on my layout). cheers, Fred Jansz PS, also own the single dome version of the OMI GATX 30 10K Gals insulated car. This one will be painted & lettered for Western Asphalt.
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Chicagoland Mini Kit
Gary Roe
Guys, I am in the process of gathering the parts I need to build one of the HO versions of the mini kit. I went to Yarmouth Model Works web site to order the Carmer cut levers. Pierre has a half dozen different styles; but I don't have a prototype photo to use to compare. Can someone point me in the right direction? TIA gary roe quincy, illinois
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Re: RPM Chicagoland summary
Dick Harley
I have posted my photos from RPM Chicagoland on my SmugMug site: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/Model-RR-Shows I also posted my clinic on UP freight car painting & lettering at: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT Enjoy, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE
Shouldn't the reporting mark be CDLX ? They're both good models for sure.
On 11/6/2019 12:40 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
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Re: CNW 43959 With Hay Dryer Load
bill woelfel
This would be on the ATSF's Pekin branch, right? Pretty rare to see any pics from that. Bill
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Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE
While not comparable in detail to the OMI model, the old Thomas 6-dome wine car is decent, about the correct size, and far above the norm for it’s time. It came in the livery of several wine companies. The only detail it really needs to look good is a set of Owl Mtn. pressure-release vents.
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Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE
Fred Jansz
Bill, That's the way I'm going to paint my single dome OMI car too.
Your OMI Western Asphalt has the correct font, decalling being done by OMI at the time. Unfortunately Tichy's decals' font is a bit skinny compared to the real thing. Reporting marks are OK though: CDLX (OMI used COLX). Your 6-dome ROMA tanker I'm quite jealous of! Been bidding on one on fleebay last year, it went over the top for me at $400. Oh well I'll cherish my Tangent single dome car... best regards, Fred Jansz
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Refrigerator Clean-out Track
Peter Hall
I'd like to ask the group to please send me photos of refrigerator car clean-out tracks. I need to know what facilities were available at, say, PFE yards for cleaning out their reefers, in the immediate post-WWII era. If not PFE, then any reefer clean-out track will do.
Thanks in advance. Pete
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Re: how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932
Jack Mullen
This group of photos was discussed here recently.
A key point is that the trucks are NOT loaded on racks, but are supported with individual wooden A-frames and blocking, the pre-rack technology. This link should take you to the original thread: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/35071473?p=Created,,,20,1,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,0,60,35071473 Jack Mullen
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Re: QREX Reporting Marks
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote:
See Chapter 9 in Hendrickson and Kaminski's book on Billboard Reefers, which covers Quaker, and includes these and other examples of prototype paint schemes. Full disclosure: it's a Signature Press book. Tony Thompson
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QREX Reporting Marks
QREX Reporting Marks Ian's Cranstone's list of reporting marks show QREX as assigned to: Quaker City Refrigerator Line (7/1930-7/1932) Quaker City Refrigerator Line (General American Tank Car Corp. 7/1935) General American Transportation Corp. (7/1937) I've noticed quite a few models carry the QREX reporting marks. These include the following companies on those models:
I only found a prototype photo for Schlosser Brothers Dairy Products. Can anyone verify prototypes for the other QREX reefers? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 11/6/2019 10:43 AM, Jon Miller
via Groups.Io wrote:
Got some 4x glasses out and started looking. Found Ajin in a small etching on the bottom and used calipers on the wheels and they are overall back to front .066. so am assuming they are actually scale. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
Since we are talking about 2 dome cars does anyone have
information on this one. Bought it off (probably) eBay years
ago. At one time I may have known but am getting forgetful. It
came, to me, with the .088 wheelsets, and all painted black. I'm
guessing 8K without doing any measurements. (brass of course)
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 09:38 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
http://www.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-10-18-19/X7862.jpgThose are actually truck chassis. The last image, link above, shows just a bare frame behind the firewall, and you can read GENERAL MOTORS TRUCK on the side of the hood. Dennis Storzek
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Matt Goodman
This has been an interesting thread for me as one of the industries on my Railroad (Maizo Mills) produced patented products from ground corn cobs. Maizo ground cobs to produce a patented product used for a variety of things. My notes are at home but the uses I remember offhand were as as a de-greaser and polishing medium in machining processes, in the furrier trade (probably as a dessicant) and by jewelry makers as a polishing medium (Maizo was owned by a Columbus jeweler, so it must have been important for that industry). Other contemporary sources said ground corn cobs were a component of linoleum. Prior to the uses mentioned above, it was also used as a filler in animal feed, which apparently was made illegal in the twenties or thirties. Not a lot of nutritional value. I have one poor-quality photo showing boxcars outside of Maizo, and an advertisement showing their product in bags - so probably about any class of boxcar could be used for shipping the bagged end product. My assumption is that cobs could have been shipped to Maizo from local elevators, by box car or truck. This particular mill's output was reported to be 100% dedicated to the war effort (WWII) - especially after a sister mill in Illinois burned to the ground during the war. Maizo's fate was the same, although not until the mid-fifties. 1890's construction materials and methods and dust make good bon fires. Matt Goodman Columbus Ohio
On November 4, 2019 at 1:00 PM, "Matt Smith" <flyn96@...> wrote:
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