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TH&B USRA 40-ton boxcar

Bill Welch
 

I am very interested in the history of the Forty-Foot boxcar, the car type that composed the bulk of America’s freight car fleet from at least the early 1920’s into the 1950’s and one of my goals is to model every example of the 40-foot types in-service during my modeling date of October 1955. To date my only model of a USRA 40-ton Double Sheathed boxcar has been an M&StL model, which technically I think were gone from The Louie’s roster by 1953. I have always planned to build at least two more but had not settled on which ones. I had Westy kits for both CB&Q and GN but since buying these years ago I have built several models of cars for both these roads and found myself bored by the prospect of building two more models to represent them. Many of the 40-ton cars were rebuilt into steel sheathed cars so my choices were somewhat limited but I found two candidates that appealed to me—SP&S and TH&B.

I remembered when building the M&StL model that the sides and ends were built around the underframe. I don’t like this approach so I assembled the sides and ends into a rectangle and then using one of Westy’s new roof frames I assembled the roof, widening it slightly with styrene shim because I have noticed these prototypes had fascia boards along the top of the sides and the edges of the roof lapped over these fascia trim pieces. Further the sheet metal on the roof is bent over the roof edge and covers some of the fascia boards and I intended to model these two details. The side view photo shows the effect.

These TH&B cars were ex-New York Central cars rebuilt in the TH&B shops in 1943 to replace or supplement the TH&B’s aging fleet of Dominion 36-foot boxcars. In the rebuilding the shops added sort of a base for the right end grabs that form the ladder. I used .020 x .020 styrene for these. They also changed the doors with what I now think were secondhand doors from 50-ton USRA 50-ton cars (source unknown but maybe NYC). I gritted my teeth as I cut off the existing door supports. Then I clinched my jaw as I carved off the horizontal metal steel strap. Clinching my jaw worked as I managed not to gouge the door and did a decent job re-scribing where I removed the brace. I made new “L” section braces by first using CA to glue a narrow strip of 0.005 styrene in place. After this had cured I took another section of 0.005 styrene and with it butted on edge against the section already in place secured with careful applications of Tamiya Extra Thin glue. Then I added a thin bead of CA on the lower of this assembly. The rivets on the “L” section brace are harvested from an Athearn boxcar. I harvested the lower door rollers from Tichy’s USRA doors, thinning them slightly before using CA to secure them in place.

I am not sure how many 40-ton USRA boxcars had metal flashing applied above the door track at some point but both the SP&S and TH&B did and so I used 0.005 sheet styrene cut into strips to make these, griping them between two straight edges to bend them. One TH&B photo I had from Jack Parker’s Photo Collection shows some interesting tabs along the lower edge so I added these using more .005-styrene (very curious what the thinking was for adding these tabs).

The TH&B applied Ajax powered handbrakes. I am waiting to fix the brake wheel in place until I build a new wood Running Board since it will be easier to fit the end supports in place without the wheel in the way. I scratch built the Placard Boards. Use this link to access and download more photos of the model:    

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nXjhL_mISYjwjTKeucYRITye2tcECgR-

Bill Welch
PS: Unless Rapido changes the door as I have, their model will be wrong.


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred Jansz
 

Great! Thanks, John Barry.
cheers
Fred Jansz


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Jim! Nice pic!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

On 11/7/2019 12:29 PM, Jim Mischke wrote:

In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small
number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for
overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service.   Per B&O memo,
this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was
removed from service in 1940.   Gondolas were converted back to
original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and
inactivity, these were ....

-  seldom photographed,
-  not known to go off-line,
-  and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

 ... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL
Corporation.   In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL
bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly
hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and
headed for eastern steel mills.   LCL Corporation was not involved.

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Tim O'Connor
 

It's not muddy, but the sunlight (thousands of candle power) versus interior lights makes a
huge difference in the color we perceive. I took photos of a box car I painted a fairly dark
"tuscan oxide red" under bright lights and I was amazed how the car appeared under those
conditions - not at all how it appears when viewing it with normal indoor lighting.

On 11/7/2019 12:57 PM, Jim Mischke wrote:

I'd like to clarify or muddy the B&O gray on covered hoppers.

I have a B&O gray paint chip from the Mt. Clare drift card, and another intrepid B&O society member harvested a paint chip from a prototype N-43 PS-2 covered hopper from a spot where the sun don't shine.   They matched, but we were alarmed that this authentic B&O gray was so dark.   Unacceptable on a B&O model in a dim basement.

When the B&OHS sponsored a Kadee B&O PS-2 covered hopper project (600 cars, long sold out, no web images found today), I made a conscious decision to specify one grade of gray lighter.   Everybody loved it.  Even more arbitrary, Kadee only produces their gray covered hoppers in three shades: light, medium and dark, no matter what anybody's prototype gray paint chip says.   Spring Mills Valley produced their B&O N-34 wagontop covered hopper with its Kadee B&O PS-2 model predecessor in mind.   Both products are effective and popular.  Not the B&O gray.

I can hop and stomp around about accurate railroad colors with the best of them.  Yet there are times when an color offset is called for, in light of basement illumination, pun intended. We seek a believable illusion, sometimes prototype colors fall short.   Black, white, and gray are particularly vulnerable to ambient light and scale effects.


Jim Mischke
a B&O freight car go-to guy
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Tim O'Connor
 

On 11/7/2019 12:29 PM, Jim Mischke wrote:

In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service.   Per B&O memo, this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was removed from service in 1940.   Gondolas were converted back to original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and inactivity, these were ....

-  seldom photographed,
-  not known to go off-line,
-  and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

 ... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL Corporation.   In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and headed for eastern steel mills.   LCL Corporation was not involved.

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Mischke wrote:

I can hop and stomp around about accurate railroad colors with the best of them.  Yet there are times when an color offset is called for, in light of basement illumination, pun intended.  We seek a believable illusion, sometimes prototype colors fall short.   Black, white, and gray are particularly vulnerable to ambient light and scale effects.

    Full agreement, Jim. My own bugaboo is Pullman Green or SP-UP Dark Olive Green. In indoor layout conditions, they approach black. I have experimented with ways to lighten them so the models will look like prototype photos taken in sunlight. Not sure I'm succeeding, so far.

Tony Thompson




Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Lester Breuer
 

Jim Gates wrote, “3M had several.........”

Richard Hendrickson  provided additional  photos when I built this Train Miniature boxcar.  We exchanged data we had on the cars.  The primary purpose of the cars was to haul roofing granulars loaded through the roof hatches.

Lester Breuer


Re: Oregon short line stock cars

Jim Mischke
 


A small clarification:

B&O long stock cars were a 1960-1962 vintage innovation.  Not steam era.

By the late 1950's, B&O was returning their leased wood Mather stock cars.    During 1960-62, B&O leased some converted ex-ATSF whalebelly boxcars from Mather sucessor North American, these were dubbed "Livestock Special" in a colorful paint scheme.  In 1962, B&O concocted its own 50' stock cars by extending M-26 subclass cores by 10 feet.


B&O 40' Mather stock car link (scroll halfway down): http://www.richyodermodels.com/mather-stock-car-reserve.htm

B&O ex-ATSF Livestock Special stock car link:  http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4604645

B&O S1/S2 extended stock car link:  http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo113392jpa.jpg


Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Brian Carlson
 

Kadee has them under discontinued custom cars. 

https://www.kadee.com/custom-cars-c-335_340_347/


Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Jim Mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:



I'd like to clarify or muddy the B&O gray on covered hoppers.

I have a B&O gray paint chip from the Mt. Clare drift card, and another intrepid B&O society member harvested a paint chip from a prototype N-43 PS-2 covered hopper from a spot where the sun don't shine.   They matched, but we were alarmed that this authentic B&O gray was so dark.   Unacceptable on a B&O model in a dim basement.

When the B&OHS sponsored a Kadee B&O PS-2 covered hopper project (600 cars, long sold out, no web images found today), I made a conscious decision to specify one grade of gray lighter.   Everybody loved it.  Even more arbitrary, Kadee only produces their gray covered hoppers in three shades: light, medium and dark, no matter what anybody's prototype gray paint chip says.   Spring Mills Valley produced their B&O N-34 wagontop covered hopper with its Kadee B&O PS-2 model predecessor in mind.   Both products are effective and popular.   Not the B&O gray.

I can hop and stomp around about accurate railroad colors with the best of them.  Yet there are times when an color offset is called for, in light of basement illumination, pun intended.  We seek a believable illusion, sometimes prototype colors fall short.   Black, white, and gray are particularly vulnerable to ambient light and scale effects.


Jim Mischke
a B&O freight car go-to guy












Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Jack Mullen
 

I see that the unmarked silver car still has KC brakes, while the Gerritsen photo of NIPX 8 shows it with AB. Since NIPX 8 seems to have the equipment and markings to meet interchange requirements, it's a reasonable conjecture that it isn't/wasn't just in intraplant service, as the silver car obviously is. 
I wonder whether the silver car is NIPX8 at an earlier point in time, or one of the other two.
Jack Mullen


Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Jim Mischke
 



I'd like to clarify or muddy the B&O gray on covered hoppers.

I have a B&O gray paint chip from the Mt. Clare drift card, and another intrepid B&O society member harvested a paint chip from a prototype N-43 PS-2 covered hopper from a spot where the sun don't shine.   They matched, but we were alarmed that this authentic B&O gray was so dark.   Unacceptable on a B&O model in a dim basement.

When the B&OHS sponsored a Kadee B&O PS-2 covered hopper project (600 cars, long sold out, no web images found today), I made a conscious decision to specify one grade of gray lighter.   Everybody loved it.  Even more arbitrary, Kadee only produces their gray covered hoppers in three shades: light, medium and dark, no matter what anybody's prototype gray paint chip says.   Spring Mills Valley produced their B&O N-34 wagontop covered hopper with its Kadee B&O PS-2 model predecessor in mind.   Both products are effective and popular.   Not the B&O gray.

I can hop and stomp around about accurate railroad colors with the best of them.  Yet there are times when an color offset is called for, in light of basement illumination, pun intended.  We seek a believable illusion, sometimes prototype colors fall short.   Black, white, and gray are particularly vulnerable to ambient light and scale effects.


Jim Mischke
a B&O freight car go-to guy












Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

Can we see pics of both, or latter?

I love containers cars! I used to see B&O container gons around Pgh all the time.

Powdered dolomite was used in sealing the floor of open hearth furnaces between heats. USSteel and others took the containers out of the gon and craned them down the floor where they were dumped in a pile across from the door. It was hand shoveled in by a crew. Tough job.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Mischke
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)


In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service. Per B&O memo, this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was removed from service in 1940. Gondolas were converted back to original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and inactivity, these were ....

- seldom photographed,
- not known to go off-line,
- and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL Corporation. In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and headed for eastern steel mills. LCL Corporation was not involved.


Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


Good picture. And a bunch more on that web page!!

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/keyword/tankcar/



On 11/7/2019 12:24 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:

Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-KVcTQg9/A

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Jim Mischke
 


In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service.   Per B&O memo, this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was removed from service in 1940.   Gondolas were converted back to original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and inactivity, these were ....

-  seldom photographed,
-  not known to go off-line,
-  and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

 ... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL Corporation.   In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and headed for eastern steel mills.   LCL Corporation was not involved.




Re: Overland UTLX X-3 tank car (was OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks for that information Steve. The OVERLAND ad has a photo of 27710. There were still
a LARGE number of 10,000 gallon, single dome tank cars from 27146 and above in the 1970
tank cars tariff book! The photo in this advertisement is from that era.

Tim




On 11/6/2019 11:26 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Baltimore & Ohio early diesel lettering font

Jim Mischke
 


B&O diesel lettering for most early diesels (1943 - 1962) was a custom B&O font, an extended Roman.    Five inches high.

Color was Dupont Imitation Gold, a dark spicy mustard color.  Not gold leaf.  Not Big Bird yellow.   Not the later Federal Signal Yellow.

Look at B&O passenger letterboard decals in a satisfactory imitation gold.    The spacing will be different on diesels, yet you will get extended Roman fonts, five inches high.


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Jim Mischke
 



In the 1950's and 1960's, B&O added roof hatches to some M-26 boxcars (based on 1923 ARA standard steel boxcars, a la PRR X29), which were given new subclasses upon conversion.   Mainly for dry chemicals, clay powder, and brickmaking additives.   Shippers could load in bulk through the hatches, unloaded by consignees by hand out the door.   No hoppers.


Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 09:24 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:
 
It looks like it's captive to the powe plant already. To the left it's coupled to a Plymouth industrial switcher; on the right to an interurban freight motor or other work car. Note the radial drawbar on the interurban.

Dennis Storzek


Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson




Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson