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Re: From Lake States Archives photo

John Barry
 

Those are available on Shapeways and I too plan the IM Monon kitbash

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, November 8, 2019, 06:23:51 AM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Several of us who attended Chicagoland 2019 were gifted pairs of these ends by a friend. I plan to use them with InterMountain composite gondola kit to make a Monon model. Another reason to come to RPMs because there are Modeling Undergrounds around at such gatherings.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] New images on Steamtown site today

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Walt;

On the PRR most were round (all early PRR boxcars, most early flatcars, hoppers and gons), but all applications where the brake had to lock with other than something like a ratchet and pawl, and in all drop applications, were square (F41, F49).

Elden Gatwood

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This year at Lisle I heard several people discussing the need for small square stock for use as brake staff material. At the time I was thinking that the brake staffs that I had seen years ago when they were still common were round not square. The photo of the Pennsy car shows it ti be round, with only the top for they wheel and the place for the ratchet to be forged square. Maybe some other cars had square brake staffs.

Walter Stafa


Re: New images on Steamtown site today

Douglas Harding
 

Check the group messages, this was discussed about a year ago. Bill Welch found a source of square stock suitable for brake shafts, and was giving out pieces at RPMs. I got a length from him at Collinsville.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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This year at Lisle I heard several people discussing the need for small square stock for use as brake staff material.  At the time I was thinking that the brake staffs that I had seen years ago when they were still common were round not square.  The photo of the Pennsy car shows it ti be round, with only the top for they wheel and the place  for the ratchet to be forged square.  Maybe some other cars had square brake staffs.

Walter Stafa


Re: New images on Steamtown site today

prr6380
 

This year at Lisle I heard several people discussing the need for small square stock for use as brake staff material.  At the time I was thinking that the brake staffs that I had seen years ago when they were still common were round not square.  The photo of the Pennsy car shows it ti be round, with only the top for they wheel and the place  for the ratchet to be forged square.  Maybe some other cars had square brake staffs.

Walter Stafa


Photo: MP Boxcar 85825

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MP Boxcar 85825

A fair quality photo taken in 1929:

http://digital.library.louisville.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cs/id/8176/rec/341

Caption: Missouri Pacific boxcar number 85825 sits near a large building with a partially visible painted sign for Belknap Hardware & Manufacturing Company. The boxcar has a sign attached that reads, "This Huge Carload/Fine Furniture For/Groves and Halterman/The Big Store Petersburg W.VA."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton boxcar

radiodial868
 

Eliminated Gould/Tichy as the tooling source of the ERTL USRA cars - I was thinking of their USRA steel rebuilds and USRA SS.
RJ Dial


Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton boxcar

radiodial868
 

Mel may not have had one, but here's mine I did last year from a Westerfield kit as NWP #1957. Since I model 1939 had to leave off the cool NWP herald and roadname (shown here from Andrew's site). Depending on your year I would def go with NWP.
Speaking of USRA DS, since model 1939, I have built a bunch, including both F&C and Westerfield. I have just embarked on a serous effort to build an additional 6 more using Ertl models. I'm not sure of the heritage of the tooling for these, but sure looks Gould'ish (Tichy)?  The trucks are wrong, but easy swap to Tichy Andrews.  All of the paint schemes and lettering are laughable. They serve as a good place to start as details are good with basic underframe brake details and separately applied grabs. Add some additional brake detail, uncoupling levers of your prototype (rotary or Carmer), a weight inside, and then paint & decals.
Will post all six for next week's "Workbench Thursday".
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: From Lake States Archives photo

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 07:14 AM, Bob Webber wrote:
This is the closest I found to that car (in the photo):
Steel End 500 1920 Lot 5209 CCM Co. Gondola

HB-9682-36-72
Could be... That lot of Clarkson Coal Mining cars were built as composite cars (steel frame, wood sheathing). The entire lot of 500 cars went to the Soo Line in 1927, who rebuilt them with nine panel steel sides in 1951. The Soo Line freightcar book by Soroos states "...were rebuilt in 1951 with fixed ends as well as steel sides and floor." The fixed end comment makes no sense as they were obviously built with fixed ends, and the ends don't show in the picture of the rebuilt car, so can't tell if the ends were replaced or not. Either way, after spending the money to rebuild the cars in 1951, I don't see the Soo selling them off before the end of our period of interest, but I don't have a disposition date. The book states 94 still on the roster in 1961, so some may have escaped into continued service for in-plant moves.  The Soo number series was 63801-64799, (odd).

Dennis Storzek


Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton boxcar

James E Kubanick
 

As usual, a great looking build, Bill! Thanks for sharing and the inspiration.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, November 8, 2019, 8:19:45 AM EST, Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:


Looking good Bill. Can't wait to see it with paint and decals. I'll copy your notes for when I build one of mine. I happen to live a stone's throw from the shop where these were originally rebuilt so it seems fitting I should have a model in my collection.

Note: these cars were purchased in 1941 and were rebuilt when they came on the property. The brakes were updated starting 1943 and weren't finished till around 1949 I think.

Colin Meikle


Re: From Lake States Archives photo

Bob Webber
 

This is the closest I found to that car (in the photo):
Steel End 500 1920 Lot 5209 CCM Co. Gondola

HB-9682-36-72

(There are others - but not where I can reach them at the moment)

At 08:02 AM 11/8/2019, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 01:50 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
<https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-FBD47MC/A>https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-FBD47MC/A
This appears to be a Haskell & Barker proprietary end. Only used on a few series of cars, all built by H&B, the H&B drawing collection in the Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum contains more drawings of the geometry of the pressings than was typical of ends purchased from other vendors. I suspect the spiral pattern of the pressed rib was intended to circumvent the Murphy end patent that claimed "tapered ribs."
Dennis Storzek
Bob Webber
Bob Webber


Re: From Lake States Archives photo

Bob Webber
 

Yeah - I think that I've scanned a couple dozen of these in the last 3 weeks (scanning all H&B drawings). There's a few variants. There's this oval spiral, a more circular spiral (for house cars), a less rounded, rectangular spiral and a few others.

C&H is not likely the original owner. I think CI&W had gons like this. I haven't been paying too much attention to who what cars were made for - we do add the Lot information into the metadata when available, but...when the drawings/files are large, you can't see both the description and the Lot information at once as they are at the bottom and top, respectively, of a 3' wide image. (usually)

Were anyone interested we can look, but it isn't something that is easy. Attempting to put too much information, esp. that which isn't on the data block is far too time consuming (when you have a few more drawings to process).

At 08:02 AM 11/8/2019, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 01:50 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
<https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-FBD47MC/A>https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-FBD47MC/A

This appears to be a Haskell & Barker proprietary end. Only used on a few series of cars, all built by H&B, the H&B drawing collection in the Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum contains more drawings of the geometry of the pressings than was typical of ends purchased from other vendors. I suspect the spiral pattern of the pressed rib was intended to circumvent the Murphy end patent that claimed "tapered ribs."

Dennis Storzek
Bob Webber


Re: From Lake States Archives photo

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 01:50 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-FBD47MC/A
This appears to be a Haskell & Barker proprietary end. Only used on a few series of cars, all built by H&B, the H&B drawing collection in the Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum contains more drawings of the geometry of the pressings than was typical of ends purchased from other vendors. I suspect the spiral pattern of the pressed rib was intended to circumvent the Murphy end patent that claimed "tapered ribs."

Dennis Storzek


Re: New images on Steamtown site today

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for sharing, Brian! Fabulous photos.

Elden Gatwood

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The first image shows the B end of PRR box car 35920 including great view of Carmer cut lever.



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The second image shows B end of SDRX tank car 4842 but notice the flat car and transformer load in the background at left.



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Brian Rochon


Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton boxcar

Kemal Mumcu
 

Looking good Bill. Can't wait to see it with paint and decals. I'll copy your notes for when I build one of mine. I happen to live a stone's throw from the shop where these were originally rebuilt so it seems fitting I should have a model in my collection.

Note: these cars were purchased in 1941 and were rebuilt when they came on the property. The brakes were updated starting 1943 and weren't finished till around 1949 I think.

Colin Meikle


Re: New images on Steamtown site today

Bruce Smith
 

That transformer load off behind SDRX 4842 is pretty cool too!  

PRR 35920 is class X25.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Rochon <berochon@...>
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 6:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New images on Steamtown site today
 

The first image shows the B end of PRR box car 35920 including great view of Carmer cut lever.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-08-19/X7985.jpg

 

The second image shows B end of SDRX tank car 4842 but notice the flat car and transformer load in the background  at left.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-08-19/X7983.jpg

 

Brian Rochon


New images on Steamtown site today

Brian Rochon
 

The first image shows the B end of PRR box car 35920 including great view of Carmer cut lever.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-08-19/X7985.jpg

 

The second image shows B end of SDRX tank car 4842 but notice the flat car and transformer load in the background  at left.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-08-19/X7983.jpg

 

Brian Rochon


Upgrading an Accurail shorty

Eric Hansmann
 

A few details and decals can upgrade an Accurail 36-foot boxcar kit. It's the latest post on my DesignBuildOp blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



Re: From Lake States Archives photo

Bill Welch
 

Several of us who attended Chicagoland 2019 were gifted pairs of these ends by a friend. I plan to use them with InterMountain composite gondola kit to make a Monon model. Another reason to come to RPMs because there are Modeling Undergrounds around at such gatherings.

Bill Welch


From Lake States Archives photo

 


Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton box

mel perry
 

bill: 
it was a suggestion
:-)
mel perry

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 6:31 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 07:36 PM, mel perry wrote:
bill:
the NWP comes to mind
mel perry
Look forward to seeing your model Mel.
Bill Welch