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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Bruce Smith
 

Interesting X25 shot. I’m used to the road name and number being on the other side of the door on these “wrong way” door cars.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920
Good detail of the patches above the sill:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: ERDX Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


1960's rebuilds


On 11/11/2019 8:43 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I  have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERDX Reefers

 

Hi Tim,

This is a very interesting photo, but I'm not sure it represents the ERDX cars in my 1952 ORER.  The overall length of the 1952 ERDX 9000 series was 42'-6", and all the other MDT owned cars were 41'-6", and the 9000 series had a 2601 cu.ft. capacity while most other MDT cars had capacities from 1900 cu.ft. to around 2000 cu.ft.  The 1952 9000 series also is clearly listed as an AAR Mech. Designation RB, and they have a Note F that states, "Cars numbered E.R.D.X. 9000 to 9999 and M.D.T. 9955 and 9962 have sliding doors 5 ft. wide and 7 ft. high."  All other MDT owned cars had 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. and a few inches high.  Also, there were only 38 cars in the 9000-9999 series and apparently only 2 in the 9955-9962 series.

I think the ERDX 9772 in your photo is an earlier car, and it has ice hatches on both end of the roof and its lettering states "Ventilated Refrigerator".  I don''t see a built date in photo, but the capacity is clearly 2086 cu.ft. and the I.L. is 33ft. 11 in. which doesn't match anything in my 1952 ORER (MDT, FGEX, etc.).  I wish I had my Westerfield 1943 ORER to see if there were other cars of this size as that date, but it's in storage.  

Curiouser and curioser.  Does anyone else have anything to contribute?

Todd Sullivan

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: ERDX Reefers

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Armand,

    Can't help with the idiosyncracies of the of the various ERDX cars but as you know these cars, at least all that
I am aware of, were NOT refrigerated. They were insulated as they were used to to bring seed and other material
from the Eastern States Farmers Exchange warehouses and processing plants as far away as Black Rock
(Buffalo) NY to their local stores all over New England. I don't believe that any of their cars were over 41 ft. in length.
Decals in HO scale for the #10000 series cars are no problem. You can get them from Jim Abbott of Highball
Graphics for $8 for a set that will complete one car. If I could find my decal box that has not been seen since the
move I could bring a set the next time I'm over.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Nice photo, thanks for calling our attention to it.
 
Since the image was taken in 1932, the car would not yet be terribly old, but it already required patch panels along the entire car side.
 
Note also the car has not yet been repainted with the Circle Keystone emblem.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:56 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Good detail of the patches above the sill:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-09-19/X7986.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 35920

Good detail of the patches above the sill:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-09-19/X7986.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Jim Betz
 

Brian/all,
  These photos seem to be "post 1960" to me.  Among other clues I notice
that in the last of them there is a guy wearing what looks to me like a
fairly modern "safety vest" (yellow/orange).

  I'm not complaining - just asking the question "probable image date?".

  If any of you haven't seen it ... search for images of Jack Burgess's
excellent model of an early weed sprayer.  I think you will find them
easiest if you look in recent (last year or two) PCR convention contest
photos.
                                                                                     - Jim
Re: view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

Andy Miller
 

And a LV  “wrong way” box car just to the right of the two hoppers!

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:16 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

 

Hi List Members,

 

In the image linked below, we get a nice view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY. I could wish for it to be a bit sharper in terms of focus, but still an nice view. While web site claims this to be 1900/1905, it is clearly much later, likely during the 1930s in my estimate.

 

Lots of things to see - LV twin hoppers, Armour Refrigerator lines reefer, CG ventilated boxcar, just for starters!

 

A detailed view is available at the link below...

 

 

Image metadata can be found at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


 
PRR 91641, an X29 class boxcar with center bar lettering in 1926

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We get a look at PRR 91641, an X29 class boxcar with center bar lettering in 1926
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
Re: view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Ted,
 
Good set of eyes you have! I had not noticed that.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

Hello,

The image has to be 1940 or later, as there is a Milw Rd ribside double door XA hiding in the back.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Monday, November 11, 2019, 10:16:32 AM CST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a nice view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY. I could wish for it to be a bit sharper in terms of focus, but still an nice view. While web site claims this to be 1900/1905, it is clearly much later, likely during the 1930s in my estimate.
 
Lots of things to see - LV twin hoppers, Armour Refrigerator lines reefer, CG ventilated boxcar, just for starters!
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 
Re: view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

O Fenton Wells
 

Also saw a Southern 1937 ARA car and a C of G vent car.  For you y'all road gents.
Fenton

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:27 AM Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
Hello,

The image has to be 1940 or later, as there is a Milw Rd ribside double door XA hiding in the back.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Monday, November 11, 2019, 10:16:32 AM CST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a nice view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY. I could wish for it to be a bit sharper in terms of focus, but still an nice view. While web site claims this to be 1900/1905, it is clearly much later, likely during the 1930s in my estimate.
 
Lots of things to see - LV twin hoppers, Armour Refrigerator lines reefer, CG ventilated boxcar, just for starters!
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
Re: view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

The image has to be 1940 or later, as there is a Milw Rd ribside double door XA hiding in the back.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Monday, November 11, 2019, 10:16:32 AM CST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a nice view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY. I could wish for it to be a bit sharper in terms of focus, but still an nice view. While web site claims this to be 1900/1905, it is clearly much later, likely during the 1930s in my estimate.
 
Lots of things to see - LV twin hoppers, Armour Refrigerator lines reefer, CG ventilated boxcar, just for starters!
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 
Chicago and Alton boxcar C&A 38810 in 1926

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a look at the Chicago and Alton boxcar C&A 38810 in 1926.
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a nice view of the LIRR/PRR yard at Sunnyside, NY. I could wish for it to be a bit sharper in terms of focus, but still an nice view. While web site claims this to be 1900/1905, it is clearly much later, likely during the 1930s in my estimate.
 
Lots of things to see - LV twin hoppers, Armour Refrigerator lines reefer, CG ventilated boxcar, just for starters!
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 
a view of an O&W 36ft double sheathed boxcar on the LIRR

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of an O&W 36ft double sheathed boxcar on the LIRR, taken in 1905.
 
A detailed view is available at the link below...
 
 
Image metadata can be found at the linkl below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Paul Doggett
 

That would make an interesting train.

Paul Doggett 


On 11 Nov 2019, at 15:44, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:



Attached are the photos of NALCO cars I have found online (besides the ones you and Steve posted).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:11 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.

 

The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.

 

It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!

Attachments:
Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Attached are the photos of NALCO cars I have found online (besides the ones you and Steve posted).

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:11 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.

 

The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.

 

It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!
Re: ERDX Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks Ben.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERDX Reefers

 

Doug Harding wrote:
"I have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before."

 

Source is Terry Link's website.

 

ERDX 11000-11049, rebuilt 1958 at DSI from Lot 734-B boxcars.

 

 

Ben Hom

 
Re: ERDX Reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"I have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before."

Source is Terry Link's website.

ERDX 11000-11049, rebuilt 1958 at DSI from Lot 734-B boxcars.


Ben Hom
 
Re: ERDX Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

I  have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERDX Reefers

 

Hi Tim,

This is a very interesting photo, but I'm not sure it represents the ERDX cars in my 1952 ORER.  The overall length of the 1952 ERDX 9000 series was 42'-6", and all the other MDT owned cars were 41'-6", and the 9000 series had a 2601 cu.ft. capacity while most other MDT cars had capacities from 1900 cu.ft. to around 2000 cu.ft.  The 1952 9000 series also is clearly listed as an AAR Mech. Designation RB, and they have a Note F that states, "Cars numbered E.R.D.X. 9000 to 9999 and M.D.T. 9955 and 9962 have sliding doors 5 ft. wide and 7 ft. high."  All other MDT owned cars had 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. and a few inches high.  Also, there were only 38 cars in the 9000-9999 series and apparently only 2 in the 9955-9962 series.

I think the ERDX 9772 in your photo is an earlier car, and it has ice hatches on both end of the roof and its lettering states "Ventilated Refrigerator".  I don''t see a built date in photo, but the capacity is clearly 2086 cu.ft. and the I.L. is 33ft. 11 in. which doesn't match anything in my 1952 ORER (MDT, FGEX, etc.).  I wish I had my Westerfield 1943 ORER to see if there were other cars of this size as that date, but it's in storage.  

Curiouser and curioser.  Does anyone else have anything to contribute?

Todd Sullivan

Re: Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

Jake Schaible
 

Bob,

If you like that, you'll love what the LoC is doing.  They claim to have some 25,000 now, but report they are targeting to put some 500,000 Sanborn maps, high rez digitized / enhanced and posted free online in 2020.  

https://www.loc.gov/item/prn-17-074/sanborn-fire-insurance-maps-now-online/2017-05-25/

https://www.loc.gov/collections/sanborn-maps/about-this-collection/
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