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Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Tony Thompson
 

Fred Jansz wrote:

speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.

    Talk about rarities! These certainly did exist but since they contradicted the lettering drawing (and we know PFE did care about that), they were definitely unusual. But of course modelers love the rare and peculiar. Not always sure I understand why.

Tony Thompson




Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

Fred Jansz
 

That's a very realistic looking deck RJ!
Thanks for sharing your work.
Very inspiring.
Will try that too when the WP flats arrive....
Fred Jansz


Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Fran Giacoma
 

Paul and Matthew - thanks for the kind comments. My layout was featured in Issue 45 of the B&O Modeler; here is the link to it:
https://borhs.org/ModelerMag/Modeler-45-201711.pdf

I live in southern Delaware.

Fran G.


NMRA Online Photo Archive

Bill Welch
 

If there are any NMRA members here, can you please inquire with the "powers that be" why some Reporting Marks have disappeared from the "Bob Charles Collection' on their site—SRR and SP for example? There were there at one point.

http://archive.nmra.org/Collections.aspx?c=509

Second, why do they not have the Harold "Dusty" Miller and Ernest Stefan collections available online since they own the negatives? All of these collections contain Freight Car images directly related to the era of this discussion group.

Bill Welch


Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

mopacfirst
 

Thanks for posting this;  it replaces the Tichy kit advice that uses Floquil.  I had good results with the Floquil, and I've been kind of messing around with acrylics and gotten OK results, but I'm going to try these on several flatcars I currently have on the bench. 

Ron Merrick


Re: Revenue Divisions Between Railroads

Alex Huff
 

Confirming what Fred Crissey said, divisions of revenue between railroads were not governed by the ICC (at the time), they were privately negotiated between carriers.  When Michigan Northern Railway took over an ex-PRR line between Mackinaw City, MI and Grand Rapids, MI, it inherited by adoption (as required by the ICC) "all rates, routes and divisions".  This occurred on April 1, 1976, the same day Conrail started up.  Because MIGN had a connection with the Soo Line via the carferry Chief Wawatam at Mackinaw City, we had a gateway connection between the Western Territory and the Eastern Territory.  Chicago was another gateway.  After developing a fair amount of overhead traffic by declining to participate in an Ex Parte increase in freight rates during the Carter inflationary era, MIGN had to contact lots of railroads to get copies of division sheets.  Some were from a long undisturbed file apparently.  They had a musty odor and the division percent was hand written in ink in a Spencerian hand.  Partial deregulation in 1980 freed the railroads to renegotiate and/or cancel divisions.  Consolidation into the big six, BNSF, CN, CP, CSX, NS, and UP was one of the results.
Alex Huff, an incorporator of MIGN.                    


FS: Photo of Diamond Alkali Co. chlorine cylinder tank car

Bob Weston
 

Photo is an 8 X 10 B&W photo of  Diamond Alkali Co. chlorine car that carries one ton cylinders. Asking $5.00 which includes postage by media mail.I accept check or money order. If interested contact me off list at OandLE@....
Thanks!
Bob Weston


Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Paul Doggett
 

That is a very nice looking layout thanks for sharing.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Matthew Hurst
 

Good morning,

Just saw the photos of the NP stock car in Winchester,VA. Love it. Do you live near or in the area of Winchester?  If so I would love to see your layout. 

Always like to see models of my hometown. 

Regards 

Matthew Hurst. 


On Nov 15, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Fran Giacoma <frangiacoma@...> wrote:

I pretty much went with what Andy described when I built my CV NP stock car. However, being a "good enough" model for my HO late 1956 era B&O Shenandoah Sub-division layout, I just narrowed the ends and roof, and used the rest of the kit as is. I used dimensions from a diagram of the car and photos found online. Pictures are attached including one showing it being weighed on the scale at Winchester, VA.
Fran Giacoma

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Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Fran Giacoma
 

I pretty much went with what Andy described when I built my CV NP stock car. However, being a "good enough" model for my HO late 1956 era B&O Shenandoah Sub-division layout, I just narrowed the ends and roof, and used the rest of the kit as is. I used dimensions from a diagram of the car and photos found online. Pictures are attached including one showing it being weighed on the scale at Winchester, VA.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Bill Welch
 

NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car.

Bill Welch


Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 01:33 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.
cheers,
Fred Jansz
I have 3-5 photos of cars with the reversed Red and White strips. Toward the end Champ was custom printing their art work and I had them print this version for me with extras to give to a few friends. I used mine on one of the late Terry Wegman's kit-bash kits using his roof and Red Caboose body to do my 30-16. Dick Harley reminds me occasionally that the "Union Pacific" lettering is not quite correct but I can live with it. Perhaps you should approach "Musk Island" about doing version. Microscale also has the art work via Dick and they custom print decal too.

Bill Welch


Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred Jansz
 

Hi there Garth!
please do read the whole discussion.
Short: NIPX 6 & 7 were back in the GATX pool, but 1930 built NIPX 8 was pictured by Arnt Gerritsen in 1988, so one might presume it was also among us in 1950.
NIPCo sent the car West to dump the toxic waste in the virgin Feather River.
At least, that's how it was done on my RR in those good old times!
cheerio,
Fred Jansz


Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Fred Jansz
 

Gents,
agree with that (fonts, size and thickness).
would like to emphasize Ted's excellent PFE decal line too.

speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

radiodial868
 

The Airhose bracket on the SSW is rubber Hi-Techs and the DL&W is plastic Kadee with those crappy flimsy hoses replaced with black wire. 
As for the deck, that is a strong point of the Tichys. Attached is a set of images of the paint sequence.
  1. Gray solvent based primer (ModelMaster in this case).
  2. Swipes of thinned acrylic paint colors of the usual suspects: burnt & raw umbers & siennas, black, gray
  3. A thinned acrylic paint oxide or boxcar red wash
  4. Followed by a black artists oils wash
  5. Followed by good old Dullcoat.
Apologize for the bandwidth on STMFC, but never have shared this on Resin Freight Cars, because these ain't resin!
RJ Dial


Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Tony Thompson
 

Dick Harley wrote:

Tichy PFE decals have lettering that is the wrong size and shape - some too big, some too small.  The numbers are the wrong size, and their shape is nowhere near what PFE (and SP and UP) used.  The UP medallions are the wrong shape and style.

Compare lettering to the SPH&TS painting & lettering book, or new Microscale sets 87-501 or 60-501.  Compare medallions to the book or Microscale 87-414 or MC-4021.
Tichy's PFE artwork is just not accurate - or even close. 

     Dick is exactly right. I haven't bought any Tichy PFE decals, because I rely on the "gold standard," the new Microscale sets with Dick's superb artwork, taken from PFE drawings. But I recently looked at a friend's PFE set from TIchy, and as Dick says, not even close. I have no idea what, if anything, these decals are based on, but obviously not the prototype. Caveat emptor.

Tony Thompson




Re: NP Refrigerators

John Monrad
 

Second article listed at link below ("Modifying Central Valley NP Stock Car") describes the procedure for narrowing the roof and hiding the joint:
http://www.nprha.org/modeling/forms/allitems.aspx
Once installed, it's a simple matter to install the correct roof trim on the ends.

John Monrad


Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Andy Carlson
 

The Central Valley NP Stock Car roof is too wide as a relict of a decision which Jack Parker made in the preliminary design of the stock car. He felt that if made wider, it would allow the cars to make tight radiuses, and perhaps with other perceived reasons.

The car roof needs to be narrowed enough to fit correctly on the RC reefer, and the 1/8" is from memory. I suggest narrowing it exactly to fit. That is what dial calipers are a great tool to have. Fortunately narrowing a curved roof has the joint hidden from the running board. The joint where the two halves bond together will not be tangent. I suppose that a bit of sanding may fix this little problem, but it is not visible with the running board, but you will know!

Another thing--lucky for anyone working on this kitbash, the modifications to get the ends to fit the new roof is made easier in that 0.010" styrene end fascias cover the gaps which an imperfect fitting leaves behind. Don't forget the Accurail fishbelly under frame!

Maybe Dan Smith can comment on the conversion, as he is saw Jerry Glow's work in person before Jerry left California for the land of heat and humidity.

I am no expert on this project, I m simply passing on the ideas as shared with Dave Koester who was the original person who came up with the idea. He told me that the finished NP reefer is close to being accurate, but I think that it would fail the Byron Rose test.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, November 14, 2019, 5:38:31 PM PST, radiodial868 <radiodial@...> wrote:


This sounds interesting and a way to salvage these beautiful looking paint jobs. Andy, when you say narrow the roof by 1/8", do you mean remove the running board and split the roof under the running board and remove the 1/8" there?
Thx,
RJ Dial


Re: NP Refrigerators

radiodial868
 

This sounds interesting and a way to salvage these beautiful looking paint jobs. Andy, when you say narrow the roof by 1/8", do you mean remove the running board and split the roof under the running board and remove the 1/8" there?
Thx,
RJ Dial


Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Dick Harley
 


The problems with Tichy PFE decals far extend past their being too thick (you can feel the ink with your finger nail).

Tichy PFE decals have lettering that is the wrong size and shape - some too big, some too small.  The numbers are the wrong size, and their shape is nowhere near what PFE (and SP and UP) used.  The UP medallions are the wrong shape and style.

Compare lettering to the SPH&TS painting & lettering book, or new Microscale sets 87-501 or 60-501.  Compare medallions to the book or Microscale 87-414 or MC-4021.
Tichy's PFE artwork is just not accurate - or even close. 


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA