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Re: PFE

Ken Adams
 

Paul

I know you are located in the UK so may not have been able to pick up a copy of the SPH&TS Southern Pacific Freight Car Painting and Lettering Guide by Tony and Dick Harley. About 40% of that volume is devoted to PFE paint schemes. So you might try Dick Harley's website https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Modeling-Clinics.

I just noticed Dick's presentation at the 2019 SPH&TS presentation at Ogden this past spring which I was unable to attend is now included. 

best


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting load on a SAL flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Charlie;

It may have indeed been photographed for one of those reasons. In most of my research into period photos of flats and gons, many are photos taken for damage claim purposes, especially with "high and wides".

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting load on a SAL flat

All-

I wonder how far that excess height load got before taking out a wagon bridge or wires crossing the track??

Charlie Vlk



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Here's an earlier version of a water tube boiler on a flat car, from Saginaw, Michigan in 1895.

The Flint & Pere Marquette was one of the predecessors to the Pere Marquette, which owned the second flat car in the photo at the top of this thread.

- Fritz Milhaupt


Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I wonder how far that excess height load got before taking out a wagon bridge or wires crossing the track??

Charlie Vlk

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting load on a SAL flat

 

Here's an earlier version of a water tube boiler on a flat car, from Saginaw, Michigan in 1895.

The Flint & Pere Marquette was one of the predecessors to the Pere Marquette, which owned the second flat car in the photo at the top of this thread.

- Fritz Milhaupt


ERIE 7211 & Friend

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,

The Barriger Library posted this image of two ERIE FD cars with large loads:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49066491078/ 

ERIE 7211 is the car in the distance, car in foreground has its number obscured.

Andy
Wisconsin


Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Tim O'Connor
 


Although I have not compared them with Dick's new Microscale sets (which are more complete
and certainly easier to use) to Champ's old PFE super-set, I used the Champ set to replace
most of the lettering that came with a Sunshine kit as I found it was extremely accurate.


On 11/14/2019 9:16 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Dick Harley wrote:

Tichy PFE decals have lettering that is the wrong size and shape - some too big, some too small.  The numbers are the wrong size, and their shape is nowhere near what PFE (and SP and UP) used.  The UP medallions are the wrong shape and style.

Compare lettering to the SPH&TS painting & lettering book, or new Microscale sets 87-501 or 60-501.  Compare medallions to the book or Microscale 87-414 or MC-4021.
Tichy's PFE artwork is just not accurate - or even close. 

     Dick is exactly right. I haven't bought any Tichy PFE decals, because I rely on the "gold standard," the new Microscale sets with Dick's superb artwork, taken from PFE drawings. But I recently looked at a friend's PFE set from TIchy, and as Dick says, not even close. I have no idea what, if anything, these decals are based on, but obviously not the prototype. Caveat emptor.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  I don't remember ever seeing any flat car deck (from any RR) that
wasn't "weathered wood" (grey+brown tones) in color ... both in
real life and in photos.
  Although it is certainly possible that some RRs painted the decks
when new/delivered ... I would be surprised to learn that they ever
re-painted and would expect the deck to loose all traces of paint
very quickly.  But what do I know?
  My process for 'coloring' flat car decks involves a base coat of
grey that is then dry brushed with a fine brush and a variety of
different color streaks applied in random - the majority of those
streaks are different shades of grey with a very few any shade
of brown.  These 'colors' are often thinned out to a wash for
this one, then thicker for the next, etc.
  The final step, as is my usual practice for all weathering,
is to airbrush a Very light 'dusting coat' of some weathering color
or other (grey/charcoal/tuscan/what ever).  This last step "blends"
the overall car colors and makes it hard to see the brush strokes or
washes as separate colors.
                                                                                                 - Jim


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, but the blade would take a lot of surgery, and after that, the compound curves still wouldn’t look quite right.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

You may want to take a look at the old Rivarossi snow plow/gondola.   They are available on ebay (  https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-Rivarossi-Erie-077-Snow-Plow-Kadees-Sprung-trucks/333403583761?hash=item4da066f511:g:J8AAAOSwa-hd0sOU  )   and often for not much money.

Steve Kay


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

StephenK
 

You may want to take a look at the old Rivarossi snow plow/gondola.   They are available on ebay (  https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-Rivarossi-Erie-077-Snow-Plow-Kadees-Sprung-trucks/333403583761?hash=item4da066f511:g:J8AAAOSwa-hd0sOU  )   and often for not much money.

Steve Kay


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Getting the compound parabolic curve right would be a challenge. Much easier for a person skilled with SketchUp to import photos and create a drawing suitable for 3D printing. The blades were mounted differently between roads and for gondolas vs. flat cars, but a standard blade should work for several roads. Hopefully, someone will be intrigued enough to investigate the possibilities for 3D printing. I’d be happy to share my photos of the CB&Q version.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

After looking thru a bunch of freight guides, Milw had some very similar plows. These appear to have about a 6-7 foot front radius and about a 2-3 foot radius at the exit. Milw drawings are available at the Milw Public Library. 

 

The Russell wedge plows seem to be using the same math as above, but it is certainly mounted differently. 

 

If i had to make one of these, I would start with piece of doweling placed in the lathe and cut to the correct dimensions and rate of taper. Sand it smooth and coat it with graphite. Then using 10-20 thou styrene and a heat gun I'd get the basic curved shape. Make two pieces. You'll need to cut the mating line on a compound miter. I figure I'd need to make 3-4 attempts before before I'd get the correct relationship. Then trim up the edges. Good luck. 

 

Mark

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:59 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io

I was hoping somebody would say Milwaukee or Rock Island or MoPac or CNW. 

 

Mark

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:44 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

GN had identical blades as far as I can determine. Maybe the GN faithful will confirm that assertion?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

 

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: NP Wood Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Jim as I read your treatise on researching NP reefers, I thought of the same issues with tracing Swift reefers, and my own limited study with M&StL reefers. The word lease jumps out, as there seems to be no rhyme or reason, esp with some lease companies. Cars were continually renumberd, repainted, rebuilt, repurposed and replaced. The struggles of tracing leased cars is quite daunting.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Wood Reefer

 

Brian Leppert wrote : I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The roster changed over time.  

      I live here in St. Paul, MN. Fifteen minute drive from the Minnesota Historical Society and tried over years to put a semblance of a form to the car roster. After a while, many decades, not all research time spent on researching reefer, but plenty, I came to the conclusion that:
1) Leasing affected the roster. I've dug into some accounting records, not exactly my idea of fruitful research as things just got murkier. (Leighton Hudson, fellow archivist here will say - It seems like they will roll in a car, then take a crane and lift the body off the trucks, lower a different car body on the trucks and stencil the body with the car number those trucks rolled in on.     After spending some time in the accounting books I must admit, no other theory worked as well as that.)   
2) Loading commodities affected the roster (From an NP Officer, Once having carried fish, reefers are then unfit for any other commodity. Fish service is where reefers go to die!) Was there a certain class selected to haul fish from the west? Not that I found, it seemed rather to be cars the west coast yardmasters chose on the spot. A west coast yardmaster at Centralia or Chehalis, WA  ( I forget ) sent a relatively newer reefer to a fishery and got the above telegram from the NP officer at the St. Paul offices.  
3) Changing suitability demands, in the time frame of these reefers, they could from time to time be placed in passenger trains, and often were - east of St. Paul.
       A listing of car numbers of groups of reefers that were run from Northtown (Minneapolis) to St. Paul 4th Street yard (in the direct vicinity of St. Paul Union Depot) where as soon as they were re-iced they were taken to the next passenger train east headed east at SPUD. CB&Q, Milwaukee, C&NW, didn't matter (although CNW seemed to be favored) and headed east.
          The tie-in is in the 30's after I cannot call what event wreck, roads east of Chicago required reefers have buffers of a certain quality when placed in a passenger train. (Not just steam lines which were already there, or signaling air lines, rather the whole buffer and in some cases, trucks be of a certain wheelbase.)  Many NP reefers at the time lacked these heavy buffers and so the NP rebuilt some reefers, but not others. And this created sub-classes out of what was one class prior.    
4) Bunk houses, really. In my studies on stations and depots on the NP, from time to time when sent to a remote area, an operator or agent with a family would/could demand housing. The local B&B forces would be asked to just grab "a reefer, in decent shape and suitable to be used as housing" and put in a few windows, a wall or two, and a stove. Then take it to the site requested. A later letter in the same study topic has a President (in the early 1940's I believe) ask his officers if "something can't be done about all these reefer car bodies used as housing along the ROW."     

      I was reminded of the above at the impromptu SWIFT reefer gathering at Chicagoland where some of the same concerns were listed.        Jim Dick - St. Paul                           


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Gary and all,

 

I’ve uploaded the correct PDF for the first part of the kit instructions. You may want to open that kit Extras page and hit refresh before clicking on the part 1 link to download the PDF

http://resincarworks.com/extras/extras_kit14-0_ATSF_Fe50ft.htm

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:03 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

The pages with the kit construction, pp 2-7, did not make the kit instructions pdf.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:53 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

gary laakso
 

The pages with the kit construction, pp 2-7, did not make the kit instructions pdf.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 3:53 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

We have an update on the Resin Car Works Santa Fe Whalebelly boxcar kits. Kit instructions have been posted, too. The update is the latest Resin Car Works blog post.


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Fritz Milhaupt
 

Here's an earlier version of a water tube boiler on a flat car, from Saginaw, Michigan in 1895.

The Flint & Pere Marquette was one of the predecessors to the Pere Marquette, which owned the second flat car in the photo at the top of this thread.

- Fritz Milhaupt


Re: PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Johannes

Thank you.
Paul

On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:55, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

nice build. Yes, the Sunshine PFEs seem to be great kits (I am no expert though), I still have about 20 different waiting to be finished for a much larger PFE train.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 um 12:48 Uhr
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An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] PFE R40-24

Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England





Re: PFE R40-24

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Paul,

nice build. Yes, the Sunshine PFEs seem to be great kits (I am no expert though), I still have about 20 different waiting to be finished for a much larger PFE train.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 um 12:48 Uhr
Von: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io>
An: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] PFE R40-24

Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England




Re: NP Wood Reefer

np328
 

Brian Leppert wrote : I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The roster changed over time.  

      I live here in St. Paul, MN. Fifteen minute drive from the Minnesota Historical Society and tried over years to put a semblance of a form to the car roster. After a while, many decades, not all research time spent on researching reefer, but plenty, I came to the conclusion that:
1) Leasing affected the roster. I've dug into some accounting records, not exactly my idea of fruitful research as things just got murkier. (Leighton Hudson, fellow archivist here will say - It seems like they will roll in a car, then take a crane and lift the body off the trucks, lower a different car body on the trucks and stencil the body with the car number those trucks rolled in on.     After spending some time in the accounting books I must admit, no other theory worked as well as that.)   
2) Loading commodities affected the roster (From an NP Officer, Once having carried fish, reefers are then unfit for any other commodity. Fish service is where reefers go to die!) Was there a certain class selected to haul fish from the west? Not that I found, it seemed rather to be cars the west coast yardmasters chose on the spot. A west coast yardmaster at Centralia or Chehalis, WA  ( I forget ) sent a relatively newer reefer to a fishery and got the above telegram from the NP officer at the St. Paul offices.  
3) Changing suitability demands, in the time frame of these reefers, they could from time to time be placed in passenger trains, and often were - east of St. Paul.
       A listing of car numbers of groups of reefers that were run from Northtown (Minneapolis) to St. Paul 4th Street yard (in the direct vicinity of St. Paul Union Depot) where as soon as they were re-iced they were taken to the next passenger train east headed east at SPUD. CB&Q, Milwaukee, C&NW, didn't matter (although CNW seemed to be favored) and headed east.
          The tie-in is in the 30's after I cannot call what event wreck, roads east of Chicago required reefers have buffers of a certain quality when placed in a passenger train. (Not just steam lines which were already there, or signaling air lines, rather the whole buffer and in some cases, trucks be of a certain wheelbase.)  Many NP reefers at the time lacked these heavy buffers and so the NP rebuilt some reefers, but not others. And this created sub-classes out of what was one class prior.    
4) Bunk houses, really. In my studies on stations and depots on the NP, from time to time when sent to a remote area, an operator or agent with a family would/could demand housing. The local B&B forces would be asked to just grab "a reefer, in decent shape and suitable to be used as housing" and put in a few windows, a wall or two, and a stove. Then take it to the site requested. A later letter in the same study topic has a President (in the early 1940's I believe) ask his officers if "something can't be done about all these reefer car bodies used as housing along the ROW."     

      I was reminded of the above at the impromptu SWIFT reefer gathering at Chicagoland where some of the same concerns were listed.        Jim Dick - St. Paul                           


Re: Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Greg Martin
 

Interesting end. 9-7, I don't remember seeing this end.

Greg Martin 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 11/18/19 1:59 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Photo: DL&W Boxcar 12448

Good roof and end views of this car:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-15-19/X8017.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-15-19/X8016.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-11-14-19/X8015.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: Wedge Plow Blades

mark_landgraf
 

After looking thru a bunch of freight guides, Milw had some very similar plows. These appear to have about a 6-7 foot front radius and about a 2-3 foot radius at the exit. Milw drawings are available at the Milw Public Library. 

The Russell wedge plows seem to be using the same math as above, but it is certainly mounted differently. 

If i had to make one of these, I would start with piece of doweling placed in the lathe and cut to the correct dimensions and rate of taper. Sand it smooth and coat it with graphite. Then using 10-20 thou styrene and a heat gun I'd get the basic curved shape. Make two pieces. You'll need to cut the mating line on a compound miter. I figure I'd need to make 3-4 attempts before before I'd get the correct relationship. Then trim up the edges. Good luck. 

Mark


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:59 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
<mark_landgraf@...> wrote:
I was hoping somebody would say Milwaukee or Rock Island or MoPac or CNW. 

Mark


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:44 PM, Nelson Moyer
<npmoyer@...> wrote:

GN had identical blades as far as I can determine. Maybe the GN faithful will confirm that assertion?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mark_landgraf via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

DeGolyer library at SMU, has the freight car drawings for all of the predecessor rr's of BN. They also have the Q locomotive steam drawings collection. 

 

Last I knew, none of this is cataloged, and they may even deny having these collections. Good luck. 

 

Do the Q's plows look like anybody else's?

 

Great Lakes society has a good collection of drawings of a variety of central states rr's. 

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

The CB&Q used gondola wedge push plows in the early years, but in 1948, they scrapped the gondolas, salvaged the wedge blades, and mounted them on FM-11 and FM-11A flat cars. I’d like to model one of these wedge plows, but I can’t fine scale drawings of the blade. I checked Shapeways, and none of the blades I found match the Q wedge type. It seems like the wedge plow blade would be a natural for 3D printing for someone with CAD skills. Has anyone done a blade drawings suitable for 3D printing? Alternatively, has anyone published an article on construction the blade, including patterns for cutting the blade parts? I have the MR Jan 1957 article, but the blade doesn’t look quite right for the CB&Q. I have several photos of the Q wedge plows to work from, but I don’t do CAD.

 

The Q had over 100 of these cars, and they were distributed at division points, sub-division points, and other yards across the system. Other roads like the GN used them, so there should be a market for a 3D printed version in HO scale.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


NP Wood Reefer

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-
I am reminded that back in the late 1980s, while riding the OP&E steam train (The Emperor of the North" railroad), there was a nice condition wood sided NP reefer along side of the tracks shortly after exiting Cottage Grove, the starting point for the steam trip to Bohemia. Does this reefer still survive, and if so could it be of use in revealing its underframe for those of us who care?

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, November 18, 2019, 5:06:20 PM PST, brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:


I've spent too much time trying to research NP wood reefers and really wish someone else would do the job.  The rooster changed over time.  An example is the 92000 series.  An earlier series had "steel center sills", a 43'-4" outside length and 2097 cubic feet.  The Oct. 1940 lists only four cars left, compared to 866 in 1935.  This group totally disappeared in the 1940s but the number series was then used for rebuilt wood reefers.  So be careful.

_._,_._,_