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Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

CB&Q painted trucks mineral red, and there are many others that painted trucks their boxcar color. Probably  not good to generalize too broadly, especially in ALL CAPS.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:23 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

Most RRs DID/DO NOT paint truck side frames so defects could more easily be seen. Back in the grease bearing days the trucks would be "colored" in grease & dirt. In the current roller bearing days the truck side frames are unpainted so are a rust color. But UP does paint their truck side frames but in their gray color.

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

 


Seatrain Diagrams

Bob Chaparro
 

Seatrain Diagrams

Below are two Seatrain diagrams from the collection of Ralph Heiss which show how boxcars were loaded and secured in a ship.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Truck Color

Jeffrey White
 

The IC painted trucks black.  However from 1947 through 1955 open top cars were painted brown and I've seen plenty of color photos that show brown hoppers and gons with brown trucks. I've never seen a photo of a brown flat car with brown trucks though. 

I honestly think it depended on what the guys in the paint shop felt like that day.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/19/2019 9:54 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

About ten years ago I built a large number of assorted boxcars, hoppers, gondolas, and flat cars for many roads, all from Branchline, Intermountain, Red Caboose, and P2K kits. At the time, I was clueless about truck color, so all of the trucks are black. Now that I realize that one color doesn’t fit all roads, I need to know the truck color for all of these cars, i.e. black or boxcar red. Is there a table of roads and truck colors anywhere? I can only afford so many color books, and I can’t be an expert on multiple roads. After ten years, I’m just now getting comfortable with CB&Q practice. To simplify my question, which roads painted trucks boxcar red? I’m modeling 1953, so that limits the range to wood DS and SS boxcars, 1932, 1937, and PS-1 boxcars, and misc. hoppers, gondolas and flat cars appropriate for my era.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Bob Chaparro
 

"I'm trying to figure out what you thought that IM would replace your car WITH?"
That would have been up to them. Maybe they did have a car with correct stenciling, though not likely.
Maybe another product.
Maybe a refund.
It's an issue for the reasons others have commented...it's wrong and it requires a rework on my part.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: SWITFT reefer in billboard lettering

Bob Chaparro
 

I checked my collection of prototype Swift reefer photos and found nine steel-sheathed cars, all in the 15XXX series, that had only two hinges per door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Truck Color

 

Most RRs DID/DO NOT paint truck side frames so defects could more easily be seen. Back in the grease bearing days the trucks would be "colored" in grease & dirt. In the current roller bearing days the truck side frames are unpainted so are a rust color. But UP does paint their truck side frames but in their gray color.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Schleigh Mike
 

Agreed, Steve,

The photo shows the heater bracket rivets but the Tariff is silent regarding their presence.  Perhaps the 7900 gallonage (less than 8K) suggests the heaters are present but no longer functional.

I note that your book (UTLX - Steam Era Tank Cars), pages 128 & 129, illustrate two former owners that might be origins of the 45622.

I am grateful for both books----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.



On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 10:49:47 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


I will agree with Mike, with one small exception.  Cars in this series did have heaters.  The pairs of rivets along the lower half of the tank sides are a clue, confirmed in the 1952 UTLX listing.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Hello Group!

UTLX 45622 appears in the 1955 Tank Car Tariff with 7900 gallons capacity and a 207 gallon dome; a simple tanker with no heater.  Further, to me, it seems a near-dead-on match for the Tangent General American 1917-Design 8000 gallon Tank Car 19005-01 model.  Only the KC brakes and the trucks on the model are different.

Regards from Grove City, Penna----Mike Schleigh 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 09:11:24 AM EST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland
 
 
Some extra image data can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Note the image is mirror reversed.
 
I'm not a tank car expert, but I suspect this particular car was built to a GATX design - am I correct?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I will agree with Mike, with one small exception.  Cars in this series did have heaters.  The pairs of rivets along the lower half of the tank sides are a clue, confirmed in the 1952 UTLX listing.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Hello Group!

UTLX 45622 appears in the 1955 Tank Car Tariff with 7900 gallons capacity and a 207 gallon dome; a simple tanker with no heater.  Further, to me, it seems a near-dead-on match for the Tangent General American 1917-Design 8000 gallon Tank Car 19005-01 model.  Only the KC brakes and the trucks on the model are different.

Regards from Grove City, Penna----Mike Schleigh 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 09:11:24 AM EST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland
 
 
Some extra image data can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Note the image is mirror reversed.
 
I'm not a tank car expert, but I suspect this particular car was built to a GATX design - am I correct?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

What about roads that painted hoppers and gondolas red early and black later, or vice versa? Are the trucks always body color on those cars, or did some roads red cars have black trucks? I have information on RI, ATSF, and M&StL, but little information on other roads.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

Nelson, most y'all roads trucks are body color, especially repaints.

Fenton

 

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:28 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Thanks, Fred. I’ll start a spreadsheet to document responses. Hopefully, yours won’t be the only one.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

UP painted them red. WP black underframe & trucks.
Fred Jansz


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

UTLX 45622 appears in the 1955 Tank Car Tariff with 7900 gallons capacity and a 207 gallon dome; a simple tanker with no heater.  Further, to me, it seems a near-dead-on match for the Tangent General American 1917-Design 8000 gallon Tank Car 19005-01 model.  Only the KC brakes and the trucks on the model are different.

Regards from Grove City, Penna----Mike Schleigh 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 09:11:24 AM EST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland
 
 
Some extra image data can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Note the image is mirror reversed.
 
I'm not a tank car expert, but I suspect this particular car was built to a GATX design - am I correct?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Truck Color

O Fenton Wells
 

Nelson, most y'all roads trucks are body color, especially repaints.
Fenton

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:28 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Thanks, Fred. I’ll start a spreadsheet to document responses. Hopefully, yours won’t be the only one.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

UP painted them red. WP black underframe & trucks.
Fred Jansz



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Nelson Moyer
 

Agreed for the mineral red and brown roofs and ends, but not so much for the light oxide roofs. If I can find proper decals to piece together the end lettering, I’ll repaint the roof and ends of those cars. They look worse in person than shown in the photos.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

 

Nelson, 

 

I appreciate your frustration, but surely you weather your cars? After several years of service, no two PFE reefers would have perfectly matched. Weathering can hide a host of sins.

 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

 

 

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 8:21 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I hate preordering because we’re buying pigs in pokes, in the most recent case, multi-colored pigs in pokes. I pre-ordered twelve steel and wood PFE reefers. The first six have arrived over the past two years. Among these six cars, there are three distinctly different roof/end colors, as shown in the accompanying photo. We have light oxide, sort of mineral red, and sort of brown. Why can’t Intermountain produce cars with consistent paint colors between batches? Am I doomed to receive three more color variants among the next six cars I preordered? I defer to Tony Thompson as to which if any of the extant roof/end colors is ‘correct’.

 

This ridiculous state of affairs persists because modelers don’t rise up in mass and stop it. If you don’t like multi-colored roofs/ends in your PFE reefer blocks, do something!

 

End of rant.

 

Nelson Moyer

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Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Fred. I’ll start a spreadsheet to document responses. Hopefully, yours won’t be the only one.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

UP painted them red. WP black underframe & trucks.
Fred Jansz


Re: tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Bruce Smith
 

Claus,

I am not certain, but yes, the car has GATC features and may have been built by General American for UTL, or for a previous owner. I’d like to see more of the ends and bolsters before making a public commitment to that :)  The near car appears to be a UTLX built insulated/pressurized car of significantly larger capacity.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland
 
 
Some extra image data can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Note the image is mirror reversed.
 
I'm not a tank car expert, but I suspect this particular car was built to a GATX design - am I correct?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
In the image linked below, we get a view of tank car UTLX 45622 while on the Western Maryland
 
 
Some extra image data can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Note the image is mirror reversed.
 
I'm not a tank car expert, but I suspect this particular car was built to a GATX design - am I correct?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

Two things...

1) I'm trying to figure out what you thought that IM would replace your car WITH? It's not like they have a bunch of elves in the back painting each car before shipping it to a customer 😉  Every car in that run would have the same data.

2) I'm not sure why this is an issue. I mean, I get that it's a du-uh moment that shows that they really have no idea what the stenciling means, but I rarely find reweigh dates that are correct for my modeling date and so nearly every car gets a new reweigh date. It's just part of my normal weathering approach.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue
 
I bought two Intermountain PFE ice service reefers a few years ago. When they arrived, I noticed the reweigh date was OLDER than the built date.
A complaint lodged with Intermountain generated a meek "Sorry" with no offer to replace the product.
Certainly not a candidate for the customer service highlight film.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Nelson, 

I appreciate your frustration, but surely you weather your cars? After several years of service, no two PFE reefers would have perfectly matched. Weathering can hide a host of sins.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 8:21 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I hate preordering because we’re buying pigs in pokes, in the most recent case, multi-colored pigs in pokes. I pre-ordered twelve steel and wood PFE reefers. The first six have arrived over the past two years. Among these six cars, there are three distinctly different roof/end colors, as shown in the accompanying photo. We have light oxide, sort of mineral red, and sort of brown. Why can’t Intermountain produce cars with consistent paint colors between batches? Am I doomed to receive three more color variants among the next six cars I preordered? I defer to Tony Thompson as to which if any of the extant roof/end colors is ‘correct’.

 

This ridiculous state of affairs persists because modelers don’t rise up in mass and stop it. If you don’t like multi-colored roofs/ends in your PFE reefer blocks, do something!

 

End of rant.

 

Nelson Moyer

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Re: Truck Color

Fred Jansz
 

UP painted them red. WP black underframe & trucks.
Fred Jansz


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Bob Chaparro
 

I bought two Intermountain PFE ice service reefers a few years ago. When they arrived, I noticed the reweigh date was OLDER than the built date.
A complaint lodged with Intermountain generated a meek "Sorry" with no offer to replace the product.
Certainly not a candidate for the customer service highlight film.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Fred Jansz
 

May I add to that the milk chocolate brown of their WP boxcars (not to forget the lettering and the too large shield), the almost fluorescent green & yellow of the WP FT units (with black roofs, should be green as per WP drawings)? And as cherry on the cake the fluorescent orange of the silver & orange ones?
Fred Jansz