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Re: F&C

Paul Doggett
 

Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Tim O'Connor
 


opens up in Firefox and Chrome immediately


On 11/27/2019 11:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: F&C

Douglas Harding
 

Works for me as well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Bayless via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 11:04 PM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C

 

 

I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

 

------ Original message------

From: James SANDIFER

Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM

To: Steam Freight Car;

Cc:

Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Dave Bayless
 


I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: James SANDIFER
Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM
To: Steam Freight Car;
Cc:
Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

F&C

James SANDIFER
 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

rwitt_2000
 

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

James SANDIFER
 

The SK-O had transverse air reservoirs.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

espee4441
 

This reminds me of a LFCD flat I photographed down in Durango circa 2006 or so. Very similar, I think their car was a bit newer but not by much since in Mexico the rules are a tad different (or so it seems). In this particular case it was hauling heavy granitic rocks, about 12-16" in diameter approximately. 

Neat photo, Bob!

Tony Pawley

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
That is a very nice photo find.
 
I think these LIRR gons - at least the ones with the fishbelly side sills - were conversions from LIRR or PRR class XL 36ft inside length boxcars. The boxcar structure was taken off, and only the fishbelly underframes kept. The sides were really side doors, and the cars primary purpose was to be used for trash service, carrying trash out of Penn Station New York. The design concept was that once you opened the side doors, workers with rakes and/or shovels could empty out the trash at a dump site by just pushing/pulling the trash load out and over the side edge.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I could not recall this chap’s name, but his models were impressive. I saw them at a Chicagoland RPM event years ago. In addition to dented gons he had a flat car load of a rumpled-up covered hopper being removed from a wreck site. The tears and wrinkles were wonderfully executed. Despite a number of comments and photos here, I still don’t think distorted plastic looks like bent metal. Several modelers here have tried to represent the distressed gondola “look”, with varying degrees of success. But it still does not look quite right. Soft plastic still does not bend, dent, or crease like metal. This might be a good opportunity for some resin kit maker to offer such a decrepit gondola. The master would be hard to make, but I can’t see why the subsequent castings wouldn’t be acceptable. Perhaps just the distressed panels could be offered, for insertion into existing mass-market plastic gondolas. The panels could be made a bit oversized, so they could be trimmed to fit a number of prototype dimensions.

Part of the problem with the softened plastic method is that the bulges look like they were pushed-out by big air bags … they are FAR too smooth and regular in shape. Most real gondola bulges are the result of numerous small dents accumulating over time. They have a rough and bumpy texture, with occasional perforations. And, if modeled, the interior should have a matching appearance. Part of the problem is that the typical plastic sides are far too thick ... they bulge but don’t dent or crease. Perhaps 0.005” styrene would work better, but, then, why not just go to thin metal (see above) and get it “right”? I’m not saying this can’t be done in plastic, but that I’ve never seen it, in person or in photos, and I’ve seen MANY attempt it. I few have come real close, but never “quite” right.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Nov 26, 2019, at 12:51 PM, David Allen <dallen@...> wrote:

Folks: The felloe Dan Mitchell mentions is Jeff Eggert. A while ago (October, 2003) Jeff showed his model of C&NW 742149 at a division meet in Two Rivers, WI. It is exquisite. He made new sides and ends of thin ,001 shim brass sections with styrene posts. I have seen a write-up somewhere, but I cannot find it now.

Be well.  Dave Allen

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Jeff Eggert
 

While this topic is making dents in plastic car bodies, it is just one of the many methods to create a dented the gon.

As Dave Allen eluded to, here is the How-To:
http://www.yardoffice.com/RR/Modeling/howto/tangons.html

Jeff Eggert

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.
Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Lehigh Valley Composite Hoppers

ed_mines
 

Yes.

I found 2 photos of the cars you asked about - 14781 & 14001 - with black diamonds on a lighter colored (freight car red?) background.

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

David Allen
 

Folks: The felloe Dan Mitchell mentions is Jeff Eggert. A while ago (October, 2003) Jeff showed his model of C&NW 742149 at a division meet in Two Rivers, WI. It is exquisite. He made new sides and ends of thin ,001 shim brass sections with styrene posts. I have seen a write-up somewhere, but I cannot find it now.

Be well.  Dave Allen

Re: Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The ends of the cars in the photo's of the 27001 series are rather unique.  Did these cars also use the standard USRA  end?

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...>
Date: 11/26/19 3:13 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

Bob,

Very interesting; thanks for the pointer.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:06 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

This is a link to an article titled, "Evolution of the 40′ Steam Era House Cars of the Delaware & Hudson" from Matt Forsyth's D&H Penn Division blog:

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424

There are a number of photos accompanying the article.

Matt is a Proto 48 modeler.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: missouri Pacific DF2 Markings

mopacfirst
 

Steve, those are probably the 'return to' stenciling.  They would be at the extreme left of the car side, butted up against the end of the car above the grabs.  That was the MoPac standard location for this stenciling at the time these cars were built.

To my knowledge, there is no available decal for these.

Ron Merrick

Re: Car Classifications For Loads

Tony Thompson
 

Guy Wilber wrote:

From Coughlin’s ‘Freight Car Distribution and Car Handling in The United States’.  A book anyone with interest in the subject should have a copy of in their library.

     Perfectly stated, Guy. I have had a copy for years and still use it.

Tony Thompson