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Re: More ATSF Sk-O Questions

Allan Smith
 

Frank Ellington's book Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway, has a drawing of class Sk-O on page 77 and a cross-section drawing on page 78, there are also photos of Sk-O 68000 side and end on page 24.. Also the 2nd quarter 2012 Warbonnet has an article by Jim Barnes about the Sk-M&O Stock cars with more photos of same.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 10:34:00 AM PST, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


First, thanks to all those who responded to the air reservoir question. The next issue I’ve run into is the type of grab iron on the bottom of the end grab ladder. Both the end drawing and photo of ATSF 68000 on page 111 of Stephen Sandifer’s book show straight grab irons for all five rungs of the grab ladder, however the photo of ATSF 68093 on the same page shows a drop grab iron for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder (four straight grab irons and one drop grab iron). Westerfield instruction state that the bottom end ladder grab iron is a drop grab iron, probably based upon the photo of ATSF 68093. Which type grab iron was most common for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder?

 

The only information on brake component layout is on page 132 of Sandifer’s book, and that drawing is for a Sk-3 car. The only Sk-O photos I have show only the end and right side of the car, so it’s not easy to tell exactly where the control valve and brake cylinder were located, or where the train line penetrated the center sill. However, a photo of the brake components and train line on ATSF  Sk-S 68970 appears on page 119 of the Sandifer book. While the location of the air reservoir, control valve, and brake cylinder are similar for both the Sk-S and the Sk-3, the location of the train line penetration of the center sill is different.  Is it safe to assume that the Sk-O and Sk-S shared the same brake component locations and train line penetration point?

 

Anyone remotely interested in ATSF stock cars, general livestock traffic and practices, or modeling stock cars will love Sandifer’s book. For modelers, the close-up color photos of remaining cars provides details on the brake staff ratchet and pawl, uncoupling levers, door hinges, convertible deck hardware, and many other details that you won’t fine adequately covered in kit instructions.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

Offered two IntermountainR-40-10 decorated PFE reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 

If accuracy is wanted, I have 2 Intermountain HO Pacific Fruit Express reefer kits for R-40-10 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars.

IM # 41702P-35 PFE Double Herald car with Union Pacific colored herald matched with a B&W SP medallion. Blt 8-36, repainted and reweighed in Roseville 7-18-46. In the black hardware scheme. PFE #42664. $25 with free shipping included to the US

IM # 41702P-37  Same as above, PFE # 42215 $25, with free shipping included to the US

Also one IM # 41701-10; blt 8-36 with Overland single UP herald on one side, SP B&W on opposite side. As delivered 1936 scheme.  PFE 43724 $20 with free shipping included to the US

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. For info, contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks,   -Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

Re: CN bcr

Pierre Oliver
 

Yeah!
That’s the one lol

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Nov 30, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Clark, 

Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....


On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:


To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


Re: CN bcr

Marty McGuirk
 

Clark, 

Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....


On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:


To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


Re: PFE reefer kits R-40-20

Dick Harley
 


Tim,

The only PFE 40-ft steel reefers that I know Sunshine did were the R-40-10 and the R-40-26.

The R-40-14 and R-40-20 are very similar, with the -20 being 1-1/2 inches taller.
I would make an R-40-20 from an InterMountain R-40-10 (and ignore the taller height), but I suppose you could replace the roof and underframe of a Trix car and narrow the ends.
See: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-14/
and  https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-20/


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: PFE reefer kits R-40-20

Tim O'Connor
 

Dick

It just occurred to me that Sunshine never did an R-40-20 either, did they?

I always thought it was just the ends that needed to be replaced (which Details West offered)... :-(

On 11/30/2019 2:29 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:
For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus.  The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20.  The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion.  Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically.
https://intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45509.htm

Cheers,
Dick Harley
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Op session on the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

It has been months since I hosted an op session on my Alma branch layout.  I hope to resume monthly op sessions in January.  For those of you not familiar with my layout it is 22 1/2'x30' in HO scale and depicts Santa Fe operations on its Alma,KS, branch in May 1943.  An op session lasts about 3-3 1/2 hours.  The crew consisting of an engineer, conductor, and brakeman run the daily mixed trains 96/95 from Burlingame to Alma following protocols followed by the real train crews in May 1943.  To get a better idea see Tom Klimowski's video under my name on You Tube.  The op session begins with lunch at noon after which we retreat to the basement to run trains.  Some possible January dates are Saturday the 4th, Sunday the 5th. Saturday the 25h or Sunday the 26th.  If any of these dates suit you let me know and we can decide on a date.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Re: Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

rdgbuff56
 

Intermountain is the "King Of Foobies".

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 7:29:05 PM UTC, Dick Harley via Groups.Io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:
Inter


For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus.  The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20.  The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion.  Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically.
https://intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45509.htm 

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

Dick Harley
 


For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus.  The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20.  The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion.  Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically.
https://intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45509.htm 

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: CN bcr

Walter Cox
 

To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


Re: CN bcr

Ian Cranstone
 

On Nov 29, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CN had a tightly-controlled standard pallette of colours, and in this case the standard colour was Red #11, which was a reddish version of brown. As the colour aged, the reddish tone faded and the car would become increasingly brown.

A number of paints have been mixed to match CN Red #11 over the years, but be aware that this colour really only works for a freshly-painted car.

Ian CranstoneOsgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net

Re: CN bcr

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"The CN historical society once sold correct color paint."
http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966  
 
These are available in Scalecoat and Scalecoat II.  Scroll to page 5:

CN Red #11 is what you want for transition era boxcars.


Ben Hom 

Re: CN bcr

Douglas Harding
 

True but I believe Clark does not like acrylic paint.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch

 

Re: CN bcr

Pierre Oliver
 

Yup 
They sure did
I have a large supply 

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:



The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst

Re: CN bcr

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch

 

Re: CN bcr

Douglas Harding
 

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst

SOLD: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks everyone! The reefer kits are sold.
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA


Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have 2 Intermountain Pacific Fruit Express R-40-20 steel ice bunker reefer decorated kits for sale. Intermountain # 40509-23(24), PFE #46691 and PFE # 46700. Both in as delivered 1945 scheme of single Overland colored UP herald on one side, single SP herald on opposite side.

New, and in undisturbed condition in original Black, Red and White Intermountain boxes. Offered for $22 each, with free shipping included to the US.

I accept checks and money orders, and with a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson, Ojai CA

Re: CN bcr

Richard Townsend
 

I don’t have an answer to the question but I think Clark has come up with the best way of defining colors. People seem to me to be too exacting on color since they  weather, fade, grunge up in an infinite variety. And any road’s colors likely varied from batch to batch and shop to shop. Fundamentally they’re redder, browner, or oranger. And maybe marooner. 


On Nov 29, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst

CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst