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Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

Charles Peck
 

I would guess the simple explanation is that he was paid by the hour.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:24 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
or had alot of free time
:-)
mel perry


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:17 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

mel perry
 

or had alot of free time
:-)
mel perry


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:17 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

mopacfirst
 

Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

Bill Welch
9:08am   
There are a few photos on Fallen Flags site


Thanks Bill! The F&C drawings do show the end board. Your attachments answered the door issue. 
CW Propst

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 09:06 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6np2cvt

I think the lettering was added in the darkroom.

I don't think so. This is an example of stenciling lettering over ribs and posts, which was almost never done during the steam era, but is quite common today. Note the photo was taken in November of 1960, not quite steam era. If trying to replicate this with decals, note the lettering must be distorted by adding the portions that apply to the sides of the posts and braces; not the easiest artwork to create and have fit.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 AM, Richard Townsend wrote:
As long as we're wondering, I wonder what the little hooks under the left-most two side panels are for.
For hanging a water bag to drip on an overheated journal (hotbox) to nurse it along until the car can be set out. The Q was a big proponent of this, even having them over tender trucks.

As to the prominent chalk marks, someone was using the car side as a chalk board, likely counting piles of something on a loading dock. They may not even have anything to do with a load that was ever in this car.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks. One mystery solved.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

 Richard Townsend asked:

“As long as we're wondering, I wonder what the little hooks under the left-most two side panels are for.”

Those hooks were used to hold “Keely Cans” used to cool journal boxes.  They held water which dripped onto the boxes.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Richard Townsend asked:

“As long as we're wondering, I wonder what the little hooks under the left-most two side panels are for.”

Those hooks were used to hold “Keely Cans” used to cool journal boxes.  They held water which dripped onto the boxes.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bob Weston
 

Maybe the caption should say Timken Roller Bearings.

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

As long as we're wondering, I wonder what the little hooks under the left-most two side panels are for.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Lots of chalk marks, even the journal box lids have chalk marks. Don’t know what they mean.
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar
 
Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar
This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:
Does anyone have an educated guess (as opposed to a SWAG) as to what the series of chalk marks along the upper side of the car mean?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Douglas Harding
 

Lots of chalk marks, even the journal box lids have chalk marks. Don’t know what they mean.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:04 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

 

Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s66138c3

Does anyone have an educated guess (as opposed to a SWAG) as to what the series of chalk marks along the upper side of the car mean?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: CN bcr

Walter Cox
 

Great post, it sure makes the point.
Walt

In a message dated 11/30/2019 8:56:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjmcguirk@... writes:

Clark, 

Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....



On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:

To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re  with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt

In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch


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Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

This is link to a 1925 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6p00hd9

At least the mine cars had roller bearings.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bill,

WP-owned PFE 50001-52000 had Hutchins roofs when new, but were all supposedly otherwise R-30-13 design. [There may, or may not, have been up to 200 cars that had R-30-12 underframes, but there is no photographic proof of this. The two AC&F builder's photo in Tony's book show R-30-13-type open bolster ends, as do all in-service photos I have seen. Any models with WP heralds and R-30-12 underframes are suspect.]

WP-owned PFE 52001-52775 had Standard Railway Equipment Co. roofs, per PFE's R-30-13 specifications. Pullman built wreck replacements for Hutchins-equipped 50329, 50349, and 50984. Since they were among the last R-30-13s built, the replacements probably came with SRE roofs. One other Pullman-built car replaced 52017; the original had been built new with an SRE roof. Some 50001-series cars received SRE roofs when the Hutchins roofs wore out or were damaged beyond repair, especially on cars that received new larger bodies circa 1938-1943. 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:02 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Remind me please, which WP group were delivered with Hutchins roofs?

Bill Welch

Re: CN bcr

Bill Welch
 

There are a few photos on Fallen Flags site

Bill Welch

Re: CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

Marty McGuirk
Nov 30   

Clark, 
 
Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....

https://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2014/11/would-real-cn-red-11-please-stand-up.html?m=1

I knew there was a number for the color, but as your photo shows, why worry about it. I'll stick with my redder, oranger, browner question  ;  ))

Not having a photo I do have a couple more questions, The drawing in the instructions does not show any placard boards. Not on the ends nor the steel corrugated door. Should I put some on? Also what trucks should be under the car in the late 40s -50? Just with or without spring planks will suffice.
Thanks again to all!
CW Propst

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Bill Welch
 

Remind me please, which WP group were delivered with Hutchins roofs?

Bill Welch

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

There originally were 2,775 WP/PFE refrigerators. The original group of 2,000 were ordered by WP in 1923, just before they joined the PFE. In order to match the proportion of WP's contribution to the whole PFE fleet, 775 more cars were added in 1924. The as-delivered WP cars are discussed in Chapter 5 of of Tony's PFE book, with mention of their later rebuilding/reconditioning scattered through other chapters (check his excellent index). 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:02 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8

Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

2 of 3 sold: two IntermountainR-40-10 decorated PFE reefer kits

Andy Carlson
 

The two R-40-10 double herald reefers are sold. The single herald "Overland" as delivered reefer remains available.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 6:01:49 PM PST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


If accuracy is wanted, I have 2 Intermountain HO Pacific Fruit Express reefer kits for R-40-10 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars.

IM # 41702P-35 PFE Double Herald car with Union Pacific colored herald matched with a B&W SP medallion. Blt 8-36, repainted and reweighed in Roseville 7-18-46. In the black hardware scheme. PFE #42664. $25 with free shipping included to the US

IM # 41702P-37  Same as above, PFE # 42215 $25, with free shipping included to the US

Also one IM # 41701-10; blt 8-36 with Overland single UP herald on one side, SP B&W on opposite side. As delivered 1936 scheme.  PFE 43724 $20 with free shipping included to the US

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. For info, contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...>
Thanks,   -Andy Carlson  Ojai CA

Re: Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

mel perry
 

bob;tj
nice set of scans, thanks for sharing
mel perry0

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:15 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: LA & SL/UCR Gondolas 21812 & 21100

These are links to 1921 photos from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tb1kfn

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s67h1x46

UCR stands for Utah Coal Route.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA