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Re: Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah

Steve Wolcott
 

In shot #2, what are the cars in the foreground?  60' reefers with no markings?
Steve Wolcott

Re: Intermountain GM&O reefer ?

mopacfirst
 

Found one other photo on line, on rr-picturearchives.  This one is NRC 19734, but the end is in shadow to the point I can tell the end must be a dreadnought of some sort (not Despatch or flat) but that's about it.  It could be a 3-4 or R+3-4 with no poling pockets.  It also appears to have a diagonal panel roof, but the roofwalk is just not discernable as to its type.  I wish I could look this thing up in the book, but it's 650 miles away right now.

The GM&OHS site gives more information about the model.

Ron Merrick

Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Here's a link for the Patent of the "Keeley" can.


https://patents.google.com/patent/US1020188


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

I wonder if they are in use? Neither in recently posted photos has the hoses rigged to drip on the journal boxes, leading me to suspect that this is their normal storage location, to be re-positioned wherever needed as the need arises.

     I agree with Dennis that this is the storage or carrying location of the Keeley cans, but the hose could be rigged from there into the journal, so there was not another place they were put.
      Incidentally, my caboose book (Volume 2 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_) has the SP drawing of a Keeley can, called a "journal box cooler," on page 157. 

Tony Thompson



Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Dennis, 

"Nickel Plate" reefers 60000-60399 held assorted "first names". Built as NKP 60000-60399 by MDT in 1922, the cars were pretty conventional MDT cars built between 1918 and 1924. The NKP almost immediately moved them to NPDX, their reefer leasing company. The cars kept their numbers, except for four cars assigned to express milk service (NKP 700, 701, 900, 901). Those cars got steam lines and green paint.

In 1932 the NKP folded NPDX and leased the cars to General American, which ran the cars as GARE 60000-60399, and later as GARX cars. The lease expired at the end of 1945, and the cars trickled back to the NKP between 1945 and 1948. The cars coming off lease were quickly patched back to NKP reporting marks to be sent home, and the NKP scrapped all of the cars by the end of 1948.

The NKPHTS had Accurail do a special run of the GARX cars last year, and I have "private stock" resin kits and decals for accurate NPDX and MDT cars. Some of the GARX cars are still available, but the future of the resin cars is up in the air (a few of them were on display at Lisle this year)

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, December 2, 2019, 02:49:51 PM CST, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-02-19/X3418.jpg
Interesting car. I'm away from my reference material; could someone check if it is a nominal 36' car, please? I note the underframe, end sills, and striker casting / drawbar carrier are identical to the NYC designed items on the car that was the prototype for the Accurail 36' boxcar, in fact, the car could be kitbashed from our wood end 36' boxcar and our wood reefer sides. I know the NKP had identical boxcars to the NYC version, likely ordered by NYC for the Lake Erie & Western before they sold that road to the NKP. It would appear that these cars have the same origin, but I was unaware that the NYC had a reefer version of these cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces
This is link to a 1927 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:
The stenciling on the barrels appears to say they contain pecan pieces. The captions says the load is pecans.
In any case, this is another example of a non-perishable load shipped in a refrigerator car.

Doubtless the car is being used as an insulated box car, commonplace before the 1950s, when purpose-built cars of that type began to be built.

Tony Thompson



Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-02-19/X3418.jpg
Interesting car. I'm away from my reference material; could someone check if it is a nominal 36' car, please? I note the underframe, end sills, and striker casting / drawbar carrier are identical to the NYC designed items on the car that was the prototype for the Accurail 36' boxcar, in fact, the car could be kitbashed from our wood end 36' boxcar and our wood reefer sides. I know the NKP had identical boxcars to the NYC version, likely ordered by NYC for the Lake Erie & Western before they sold that road to the NKP. It would appear that these cars have the same origin, but I was unaware that the NYC had a reefer version of these cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


And how about this PFE R-50-1 ?! Hubba hubba.
https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=1004047

:-)



On 12/1/2019 12:02 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer

This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8

Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet.

Bob Chaparro



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Guy Wilber wrote:
I have several SP Caboose photos with the cans (in use) hung from the hooks,
I wonder if they are in use? Neither in recently posted photos has the hoses rigged to drip on the journal boxes, leading me to suspect that this is their normal storage location, to be re-positioned wherever needed as the need arises.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Webber wrote:

1923 is the year the sparrows came back - all passenger cars purchased to modernize & equip the WP were brought back to the D&RG, WP had to purchase new cars.  The same thing happened to an extent with freight, though WP kept a lot. 

     I have always understood that most of the D&RG freight cars used by WP at its beginning were returned in 1916, when they bought 1000 new box cars of their own.

Tony Thompson



CB&Q class FM-11 flat car 91248

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished  another resin kit I enjoyed building, a CB&Q class FM-11 steel fish belly side flat car I numbered 91248.  It is an excellent resin kit purchased from Jerry Hamsmith at Chicagoland RPM.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 09:30 AM, Norm Buckhart wrote:
are these cans in the photo Keely Cans
Yes, they are.  Thanks for great photos to illustrate this topic.
Jack Mullen

Intermountain GM&O reefer ?

mopacfirst
 

Can anyone shed light on an Intermountain reefer custom-produced for the GM&O Historical Society?

This car is an NRC reefer with GM&O lettering, car number is 19578.  The model appears to be a standard R-40-23 with metal roofwalk, and the ends appear to be stock 3-3 as in the R-40-23 model.  I once did an MDT model of a similar car using stock ends but cutting and rearranging to produce a 3-4 end to match the prototype.  Other ends on cars built by MDT with sides similar to the R-40-23 had Despatch ends and plain flat sheet metal.  My MDT book is not with me, and I haven't found a close photo on line.

My question is, what ends did this prototype have, and any other details where this model might differ from the prototype?

Ron Merrick

Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Norm wrote:

"are these cans in the photo Keely Cans? that you are referring to?" 

Norm.

Yes, those are Keeley cans.  I have seen the spelling that I used in my post, without the final "e", but after some of the recent discussion I believe that it is correctly spelled, "Keeley". 

I have several SP Caboose photos with the cans (in use) hung from the hooks, but have yet to see a photo of cans installed on a piece of rolling stock.  The hooks were on large numbers of SP cars as well as PFE reefers, so the use of Keeley Cans must have proven worthy of the installations.  

Thanks for sharing the photos.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 

   

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Norm Buckhart
 

Guy - are these cans in the photo Keely Cans? that you are referring to?  Norm Buckhart

On Dec 1, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Guy Wilber via Groups.Io <guycwilber@...> wrote:

Richard Townsend asked:

“As long as we're wondering, I wonder what the little hooks under the left-most two side panels are for.”

Those hooks were used to hold “Keely Cans” used to cool journal boxes.  They held water which dripped onto the boxes.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Plant identity

Allen Montgomery
 

According to my plant identification app on my phone, it is commonly called Curled Dock (Rumex crispus).
I try to ID all the plants in my modeling area too.

Allen Montgomery



On Monday, December 2, 2019, 1:34:14 AM MST, Paul Woods <paul@...> wrote:


I concur; I have enough of it around my house to recognise it pretty quick.

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ
NYCSHS #7172

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bob Webber
 

No.  The D&RG was merged with the RGW a lot earlier - the "W" is an artifact of the D&RG's reorganization from bankruptcy,  forced by the Gould forces in the MP (which controlled the D&RG) to build the D&RG's Pacific Extension, making the D&RG build, equip and pay for what became the WP  (as it was forced out during the reorganization).  This occurred in the early 20s with lettering updated right about 1923 - when this took place.  IOW, when this photo was taken.  (The earleir variant of the D&RGW is a whole 'nother story).

1923 is the year the sparrows came back - all passenger cars purchased to modernize & equip the WP were brought back to the D&RG, WP had to purchase new cars.  The same thing happened to an extent with freight, though WP kept a lot. 

The MP & D&RG(W) & WP equipment of the era show marked similarity as well.  In fact, on the AC&F Flickr site, you can find the new Walthers MBE painted in D&RG, but the Lot is clearly named & purchased by the MP.  (Ironically, several WP MBEs would be leased to the D&RGW a few decades later to  supplant these).

This is also one of the reason that, had Harriman stayed alive a wee bit longer, there is more of a possibility of the SP entering Colorado near the 4 Corners region.  There exists to this day, huge deposits of good coal that was never really exploited due to transportation issues in the area.  That's the reason the Farmington branch was built from/to Durango as a Standard Gauge railroad. 

At 05:45 PM 12/1/2019, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io wrote:
You might notice that the “W� on the road name was added later. The D&RG absorbed the RGW shortly before and became the D&RGW. On the end reporting mark, the “W� is much whiter than the rest of the reporting mark.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California

Bob Webber

Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Thanks for the correction, Bruce.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf@...> wrote:

Steve, that was the typical arrangement on the Ban Dyke tankcars. Some still exist on the Cumbes & Toltec, albeit narrow gauged.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa California 


On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Steve Wolcott <swolcott@...> wrote:

Interesting brakewheel arrangement on that tank car.  Haven't seen that before.  
Steve Wolcott

Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

al_brown03
 

Interesting car: looks like one of the *big* Class X (10,000 gallons).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.