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Re: Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Bruce Smith
 

Note that the camping trailer appears to be without wheels and with a significant amount of piping underneath. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks! That seller has several very nice images. I agree about the prices, though. The only
double digit pictures I've bought were from Bob's Photo, but I've cut back on that quite a lot!

On 12/7/2019 3:22 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Tim,

IC 2700-27499 were built at the IC car shops in Centralia IL in 1951 and you are correct they were built with 6 foot doors.  I hadn't seen that photo and I thought you were referring to the hide cars.  27500-27999 built at the same time had 8 foot doors.

2700-27499 had A3 Ride Control Trucks, 6 foot Camel doors, Universal handbrakes, Morton running boards and Improved Dreadnaught ends. Sides and ends wood lined and insulated roof.

Here is a photo of IC 34861 on eBay now:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-train-slide-I-C-Illinois-Central-Railroad-34861-WOOD-Boxcar-1962/352878689302?hash=item5229357c16:g:4QsAAOSwAyld6E6b

Unfortunately the starting bid is more then I would pay for the slide, even though it's the only photo of one of those cars I've been able to find.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/7/2019 1:43 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Jeff

I'd love to see a photo of the IC 34990- series cars. However, the IC 27184 most
definitely does NOT have an auxiliary door. Since there are over 400 cars listed,
I think it's safe to say this car (27184) was built this way.

Tim O'Connor



On 12/7/2019 2:28 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Tim.

IC 34990 -34999 were originally automobile cars with 10 foot doors. They had Hutchins all steel roofs and Murphy ends. They had the Aux door closed and 50 ton trucks applied in 1954 and were assigned to hide loading service. This left them with 6 foot doors that weren't staggered. The car diagram says no metal panels.

5 cars were still in service on 1 January 1960. The IC 1960 equipment list shows 34 more identical cars numbered 34866-34899 in service on 1 January 1960 but they must have been converted after 1954 as those numbers don't show as hide cars in my 1954 freight car diagram book.

Jeff White

Alma, IL
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Curt Fortenberry
 


Dennis is exactly right as to ARR ORER data.   ARR kept it’s own roster info but all goods came by ship the old fashioned way.  All the locomotives too had to be by ship as well.  It was considered an overseas delivery. 

Curt Fortenberry 


Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Bob Chaparro
 

Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Was there a point in time at which full-length ladders became mandatory for rolling stock in interchange service, thereby replacing individual grab irons for car roof access?

Would this have been an AAR , Master Car Builders or Federal rule?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Jeffrey White
 

Tim,

IC 2700-27499 were built at the IC car shops in Centralia IL in 1951 and you are correct they were built with 6 foot doors.  I hadn't seen that photo and I thought you were referring to the hide cars.  27500-27999 built at the same time had 8 foot doors.

2700-27499 had A3 Ride Control Trucks, 6 foot Camel doors, Universal handbrakes, Morton running boards and Improved Dreadnaught ends. Sides and ends wood lined and insulated roof.

Here is a photo of IC 34861 on eBay now:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-train-slide-I-C-Illinois-Central-Railroad-34861-WOOD-Boxcar-1962/352878689302?hash=item5229357c16:g:4QsAAOSwAyld6E6b

Unfortunately the starting bid is more then I would pay for the slide, even though it's the only photo of one of those cars I've been able to find.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/7/2019 1:43 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Jeff

I'd love to see a photo of the IC 34990- series cars. However, the IC 27184 most
definitely does NOT have an auxiliary door. Since there are over 400 cars listed,
I think it's safe to say this car (27184) was built this way.

Tim O'Connor



On 12/7/2019 2:28 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Tim.

IC 34990 -34999 were originally automobile cars with 10 foot doors. They had Hutchins all steel roofs and Murphy ends. They had the Aux door closed and 50 ton trucks applied in 1954 and were assigned to hide loading service. This left them with 6 foot doors that weren't staggered. The car diagram says no metal panels.

5 cars were still in service on 1 January 1960. The IC 1960 equipment list shows 34 more identical cars numbered 34866-34899 in service on 1 January 1960 but they must have been converted after 1954 as those numbers don't show as hide cars in my 1954 freight car diagram book.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/7/2019 12:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Of much greater interest to me is this IC 50 foot box car has a 6 foot door! :-)

Tim O'


On 12/2/2019 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


speaking of converters and such...

Tim O'Connor
 

A possible source for some freight car loads

http://steelmillmodelerssupply.com/

Tim O'



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Tim O'Connor
 


I didn't know that! So every Alaskan freight car on delivery had to be loaded
onto a cargo ship! Including this one in Los Angeles in 1958. :-)




On 12/7/2019 2:39 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Strangely I can find no ORER entry for the Alaska prior to 1965.
That's likely because the ARR didn't interchange with anyone, so no one in the 'lower 48' had any need for information on their car fleet. That changed in 1963 with the introduction of the Hydro Train barge service to Seattle. I imagine it took a while before they realized they should be listed in the ORER.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff

I'd love to see a photo of the IC 34990- series cars. However, the IC 27184 most
definitely does NOT have an auxiliary door. Since there are over 400 cars listed,
I think it's safe to say this car (27184) was built this way.

Tim O'Connor



On 12/7/2019 2:28 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

Tim.

IC 34990 -34999 were originally automobile cars with 10 foot doors. They had Hutchins all steel roofs and Murphy ends. They had the Aux door closed and 50 ton trucks applied in 1954 and were assigned to hide loading service. This left them with 6 foot doors that weren't staggered. The car diagram says no metal panels.

5 cars were still in service on 1 January 1960. The IC 1960 equipment list shows 34 more identical cars numbered 34866-34899 in service on 1 January 1960 but they must have been converted after 1954 as those numbers don't show as hide cars in my 1954 freight car diagram book.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/7/2019 12:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Of much greater interest to me is this IC 50 foot box car has a 6 foot door! :-)

Tim O'


On 12/2/2019 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Strangely I can find no ORER entry for the Alaska prior to 1965.
That's likely because the ARR didn't interchange with anyone, so no one in the 'lower 48' had any need for information on their car fleet. That changed in 1963 with the introduction of the Hydro Train barge service to Seattle. I imagine it took a while before they realized they should be listed in the ORER.

Dennis Storzek


Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Jeffrey White
 

Tim.

IC 34990 -34999 were originally automobile cars with 10 foot doors. They had Hutchins all steel roofs and Murphy ends. They had the Aux door closed and 50 ton trucks applied in 1954 and were assigned to hide loading service. This left them with 6 foot doors that weren't staggered. The car diagram says no metal panels.

5 cars were still in service on 1 January 1960. The IC 1960 equipment list shows 34 more identical cars numbered 34866-34899 in service on 1 January 1960 but they must have been converted after 1954 as those numbers don't show as hide cars in my 1954 freight car diagram book.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 12/7/2019 12:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Of much greater interest to me is this IC 50 foot box car has a 6 foot door! :-)

Tim O'


On 12/2/2019 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Tim O'Connor
 


There's an excellent shot of ARR 12889 in the Vancouver online collection. Built by THRALL.
I don't think many 50 ton 53'6" flat cars were still being built at this late date. The series
was 12800 to 12898 in 1965. Strangely I can find no ORER entry for the Alaska prior to 1965.
Anyone know whether the ARR is listed, and where can it be found?





On 12/7/2019 1:49 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Photo from the Sherman Stebbins Collection:

https://www.alaskarails.org/historical2/Stebbins/Flatbed-cargo.jpg

Caption:

"Fish-belly flat ARR 12812 most likely being loaded in Whittier. The photo is after October 1958 the build date of the flat car. I suggest it is during the Whittier cleanup after the military left and turned the property over to the Alaska Railroad. There were over one hundred old travel trailers and house trailers abandoned in Whittier. They were brought in in the early 50's to house civilian and military families during construction of the Hodge Building and other facilities."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Alaska RR Flat Car 12812 With Load

Photo from the Sherman Stebbins Collection:

https://www.alaskarails.org/historical2/Stebbins/Flatbed-cargo.jpg

Caption:

"Fish-belly flat ARR 12812 most likely being loaded in Whittier. The photo is after October 1958 the build date of the flat car. I suggest it is during the Whittier cleanup after the military left and turned the property over to the Alaska Railroad. There were over one hundred old travel trailers and house trailers abandoned in Whittier. They were brought in in the early 50's to house civilian and military families during construction of the Hodge Building and other facilities."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CCC&St.L Boxcar S59397

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CCC&St.L Boxcar S59397

Circa 1925 photo from the Erie Lackawanna Railfan website:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-19/X4117.jpg

This car was built in 1923.

Hopefully, we will see photos of the other cars in the background.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

mel perry
 

yep, but that traffic manager, better have
a good back up story
:-)
mel perry

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 10:26 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Perhaps all the way to Council Bluffs... but routings were under the strict control
of the SHIPPERS, not the railroads, when the tariffs offered alternative routes. A few
nights on the town for the Maytag traffic manager at railroads' expense and those box
cars could go just about anywhere. :-)




On 12/2/2019 8:40 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Maytag washers were made in Newton IA. The plant was served by the Rock Island. This train would most likely have been routed Rock Island to the UP at Omaha, or possibly Colorado Springs.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:23 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

 

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

This is link to a 1935 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj0x2j

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

Tim O'Connor
 


Perhaps all the way to Council Bluffs... but routings were under the strict control
of the SHIPPERS, not the railroads, when the tariffs offered alternative routes. A few
nights on the town for the Maytag traffic manager at railroads' expense and those box
cars could go just about anywhere. :-)




On 12/2/2019 8:40 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Maytag washers were made in Newton IA. The plant was served by the Rock Island. This train would most likely have been routed Rock Island to the UP at Omaha, or possibly Colorado Springs.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:23 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

 

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

This is link to a 1935 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj0x2j

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC 50 foot box car (was Photo: Bad Stencil Job)

Tim O'Connor
 


Of much greater interest to me is this IC 50 foot box car has a 6 foot door! :-)

Tim O'


On 12/2/2019 11:56 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Bad Stencil Job

This is link to a photo from in the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64q9921

Notice the tilted placement of the reweigh stencil. This could be my cover should I again botch a reweigh decal job...always a possibility.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Want to Buy Broadway Limited Pennsylvania Salt #6123 tank car

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I know there are some dealers here and wondering if any of you have FOR SALE the Penn Salt tank car done by Broadway Limited #6123. This IS NOT the Blue & Yellow version. You can email me offline at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com inserting @ for (at) of course

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

radiodial868
 

  • Meant to include the lineage of the plaster car photo in the original post but hit send just as I remembered.
  • Was hoping Fred Jansz was going to chime in and he didn't disappoint.
  • As for the old SN and the two WP lists, they shriveled up and died in Yahoo and .io worlds (I still belong to all versions). Everything moved over to Face Book and is very much alive there - very much a visual medium. That is what brought everyone out of the background. 
  • I keep watching for your old kits Andy, I alone could use 10 or more.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: DL&W hopper & box cars from Nov 1925 on Steamtown site today

Eric Hansmann
 

This 1925 image illustrates an early application of an updated data presentation on all of these freight cars. The post-USRA data was often presented as such:

CAPACITY - covering two lines of figures for cubic feet and weight capacity
WT - which is the light weight

In early 1925, the ARA recommended removing the cubic capacity from the CAPACITY line to only present the car capacity in pounds. The WT stencil was altered to present as LIGHT WT, or LT WT. The LOAD LIMIT stencil was being considered about this time but wouldn't become an official recommendation for another year. These changes made all the data figures stenciled that area of the same units of measurement; pounds. The cubic feet data moved to the right side of the car with the dimensional info; IL, IH, etc. Some railroads began applying it early, as we see on these Lackawanna cars.

You will find builder photos of new cars from 1925 and 1926 the the earlier CAPACITY presentation, along with builder photos of cars with the updated preferences. IIRC, I have builder photos of two B&O freight cars. One built in late 1925 has the updated data presentation while another from early 1926 has the older data presentation applied. Here's a PDF illustrating two lettering guidelines of that period.

Note these cars all retain the hardware inventory listings on the right side of the car. This presentation would slowing fade from practice. 

Of course, a few railroads did their own thang (hello Northern Pacific!) until later in the 1930s. 

These are a few of the nuances to understand when modeling the mid-1920s. It really is fun! (Cue several eye rolls now....)


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On December 7, 2019 at 7:10 AM Brian Rochon <berochon@...> wrote:




DL&W hopper & box cars from Nov 1925 on Steamtown site today

Brian Rochon