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Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
Brian Rochon
From the Steamtown site today.
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4586.jpg
along with SFRD reefer 6719
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg
Brian Rochon
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Kemal Mumcu
So I was wrong! Clark, for the CN cars you seek the article you want to read is Railmodel Journal October 2000. Available on TrainLife I believe.
Colin Meikle
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Re: WP conversion
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Fred and friends, What I said, or intended to say, was that WP 8051-8055 were the last of the ex-15001 cars in general service, and that they were gone before 1949. The renumbered 26001-series was assigned to Gerlich plaster service and in theory weren't used for general loading anymore (many, if not all, had interior bulkheads, and some had loading hatches). Further research in my collection throws a light on series 8051-8055's fate. While the 1947 general arrangement shows the 8051-series still listed as general freight cars, another version of the same general arrangement drawing with the numbers scratched out shows 8051-8085 in "store matl. service". This drawing is reproduced on page 163 of "MAINTENANCE OF WAY EQUIPMENT, WESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD CO.", the official collection of WP MW car drawings reprinted by the Portola Railroad Museum some 30 years ago. The MW number group is from the book's original table of contents, and is not actually reflected on page 163 itself. The WP could be pretty sloppy about such things, as it really didn't matter much except to the bean counters at headquarters in San Francisco. A few additional points on the numbers. The span of 8051-8055 comes from Frank Brehm's WP diagram web site, and is based on the caption he presented (sorry but his collection of diagrams is not currently available online). Upon careful examination of the diagram (which I downloaded), I see that the actual number span was 8051-8085. The numbers on the original were overwritten, and are a bit fuzzy, but this became apparent when I knew what to look for. So this tallies with numbers on the MW diagram cited above. According to that diagram, a total of 163 cars from the original 15001-series were converted to MW service (many becoming dormitory, kitchen or shop car conversions). WP MW8051-8085 (to use the correct spacing of WP's maintenance car numbering) apparently remained pretty much in original condition as boxcars. I did make one mistake in my post, but an honest one based on an error in the drawings. The 12' 10" maximum body height was not at the roof peak, though that is how it is shown on the 1947 re-drawing, and on the MW drawing cited above. That value was actually over the running board, as shown on earlier drawings. I discovered the discrepancy while doing further research after my post. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:03 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Garth,
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
What is wrong with slotted screws, I have 400 of them?! Well truthfully I have probably used 100 from that 400 screw order. And then there are the 400+ models already built. Have I messed up using slotted screws? Will my models fall apart?
Bill Welch
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Re: WP conversion
Garth,
You discussed those cars with me (among others). John's pictures and info is stashed away at the moment, so out of reach. I also supplied you with copies of the Pullman drawings. The last original -but renumbered- Pullman cars remaining on the WP roster were the 26001-26125 plaster cars and they stayed -in MW- until the end of WP in 1983. These were the last remaining cars on the roster, not the 8051-series tool cars. See the enclosed 1964 diagram. cheers Fred Jansz
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Re: WP conversion
mel perry
hi: how were the seams or joints sealed? thanks mrl perry
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 12:31 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Guys,
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Re: WP conversion
Fred Jansz
Guys,
I have copies of the Pullman drawings, pictures of the cars in question and I can assure you the roof of these cars consisted of overlapping steel sheets through their lifes from 1916-1983. Like I wrote before: - 10 sheets of 3' 5" - 2 (end) sheets of 3'-3 7/16" There were NO outside battens, but inside ribs. Also the caboose roof did not have battens. The MM drawings are not 100% correct: especially the roof, which has one weird smaller panel somewhere halfway the roof. See drawing: And the accurail car is a bad stand-in: roof is wrong, underbody is wrong, it's too tall and ....sigh. Fred Jansz
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Re: HO Scale Utah Coal Route GS Gondola Kits Available
Corey Bonsall
Hi Larry,
I'm 3D printing these at home on a Formlabs Form 2 SLA resin printer, it uses a acrylic liquid resin that is UV photo-sensitive. I do end up with some support blemishes on one side of the car, but those can be manipulated in the printer software to be on easily-sandable locations. Its a wholly different animal than the cast resins or styrene. I'm also doing the decals myself, using a Ghost White laser toner cartridge on Microscale paper. Tim, I'm still learning Inkscape to do the artwork, but my middle age and one bad eye must be getting to me, I cannot see hardly any difference between the model and the photo. That is one of the very photos I stared at for days to create the artwork too. I am probably biased though... These cars did have a lot of similar cousins, I think the CB&Q/C&S had some very close, as well as the 43k series D&RGW. If we tweak the end side sheets, we get the D&SL cars as well. The main set of prints I used to draft was a pre-WWI USRA pattern with a few tweaks, so some of the design components/ratios showed up in a lot of cars to follow. Thanks everyone for the feedback, Corey Bonsall
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Re: WP conversion
WILLIAM PARDIE
What a relief! With all the discussion about the roof on these cars I was pleased to find when I got home today that Andy got the roof right in his kit. The plan in the March 1990 Mainline Modeler also featured the correct roof.. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io" <paul.doggett2472@...> Date: 12/9/19 12:54 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WP conversion I am sanding the roof down it will have to do as a stand in as there’s nothing else available as far as I know. Paul Doggett. England 🏴 On 9 Dec 2019, at 10:36, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Bill,
Great work - thanks for posting the photos. I have to admit I cringed when I saw the slotted screws - perhaps they are just place holders for what you will use for the final assembly. - Jim B.
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Re: HO Scale Utah Coal Route GS Gondola Kits Available
lrkdbn
These cars look extremely well done. Two questions- who does your printing, and what is the resin or plastic that is used?
Sincerely, Larry King ,<lrkdbn@...>
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Joseph
Clark, I have the articles copied and ready to mail to you)my scanner is not playing with the laptop today) Joe Binish
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote: Thanks to all! Yes, Colin is close and Dennis is correct (he should know) The car has 7/8 ends.
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Re: WP conversion
Tony Thompson
Garth Groff awrote:
Sanding off the ribs would certainly make it look better. Tony Thompson
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Clark Propst
Thanks to all! Yes, Colin is close and Dennis is correct (he should know) The car has 7/8 ends.
The article Eric provided the link to was for wood ended cars. There is another article on making CV 1 1/2 door cars. It's not the same as the F&C car. All's I need now is the number series and I can have two Canadian lumber cars. I will check the Accurail website for a number series. CW Propst
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 03:30 PM, Kemal Mumcu wrote:
Clark's model has dreadnought ends?Clark's model has 7/8 corrugated ends. While it's true that all this style boxcar built for CNR had single sheathed ends, they did receive an order of door and a half automobile cars that were 9'-0" IH and had corrugated ends. 9'-0" quickly proved to be too small for an auto car, and these were subsequently rebuilt as single door boxcars with steel doors, keeping their original steel ends. That's the prototype for the Accurail 4400 and 4500 series carbody. I unfortunately don't have number series info at my finger tips. I thought Rail Model Journal did a later article on prototypes for the nine panel Z bar cars with steel ends. Dennis Storzek
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Re: State of Maine 1932 ARA
Thank you Tim. The earlier reweigh date I have was 1952. Gene Deimling
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Kemal Mumcu
I think we're talking about 2 separate Accurail models if I'm not mistaken. Clark's model has dreadnought ends? The Accurail article refers to a similar single sheathed car with re-enforced ends. I'm not sure which prototype Clark's car represents but it's not CN.
Colin Meikle
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Re: Private-Plugging IM bodies
Bill Welch
I keep a supply of .010, 015. .020, .025, .030, .035 Plastruct rod to make up for my hole making mistakes or for filling manufacturers holes I do want to use.
Bill Welch
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Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Thanks Fred!
Claus Schlund
From: Fred
Jansz
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 1:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Made a start (WP SS
boxcar) Claus,
PLASTER CAR WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO GERLACH COLLAPSIBLE BULK HEADS best regards, Fred Jansz
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
WILLIAM PARDIE
Nice and inspirational Bill. Thanks for sharing. Bill Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> Date: 12/9/19 2:59 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars Years ago when Al Westerfield was beginning the process of selling his business he let his customers know it might be a good idea to place an order just in case. I ordered several kits just in case. Currently I am building two models from this order, both 40-foot truss boxcars, a GN with Murphy ends and CB&Q with early Dreadnaught ends. There are similarities like the XLA roofs and 5-foot wide door openings plus both utilized underframes with eight truss rods although the spacing between the truss rods was different. I thought I would share a few photos of each so modelers could see and compare the two. One variation from the CB&Q kit instructions is how I built the ends ladders. One of the right side ladder stiles was missing from the kit so I substituted strip styrene using the cast-on left side stile to sort out the grab iron spacing and before mounting them on the car ends I drilled #79 holes. Then once I attached these parts using the holes already drilled in the styrene, I drilled through the resin ends to create rigid and easy assembly for the wire parts. With the brake lines and rods in place I will proceed to assemble the truss rods beginning with the two pair of inside rods and working towards the sides. Building a model with so many truss rods is akin to building a sailing ship with all of its rigging. The AB brake parts need to fit between the Queen Posts so their height will not interfere with the truss rods meaning some dry fitting of various parts is important before anything is glued in place. Patience is important here.
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