Re: freight car roster shots
Lester Breuer
Eric fine work. Especially like the C&O and the ACL stands out. Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer
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Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs
mopacfirst
Those four brackets attached to the car fascia at each end are attached to the ends of the four pieces of lumber that support the ice hatch platform, which surrounds the ice hatch proper.
Ron Merrick
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Photo: SFRD Reefer 6719
Photo: SFRD Reefer 6719 A link courtesy of Brian Rochon previously posted on this group: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg Not a great photo but this can be improved with photo editing software. SFRD 6719 is a Class Rr-P refrigerator car from the series 6701-7200. These cars were built in 1909 by AC&F. The cars had a wood exteriors and wood superstructures. The original underframe was wood supported by truss rods. In later years some of these cars received steel channels along the center sills to reinforce the underframe as well as flexible metal roofs. The cars had Bohn ice tanks. There is a drawing of Rr-P 6702 on Page 67 of the Santa Fe reefer book. The drawing indicates some of these cars had Garland ventilators. These ventilators were discussed in this message post: There also were additional message posts on this subject. These can be accessed with the Message Search feature. A photo of Rr-P 7140 is on Page 68 of the Santa Fe reefer book*. The last five Rr-P reefers left the live list in 1936. I cannot find evidence that any of these cars were rebuilt into later classes. It is possible some went into company service, however. I also could not find a listing for a Class Rr-P reefer model in Westerfield's catalog listing. Bob Chaparro Moderator Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup *Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 (Volume 2, Rolling Stock Reference Series) By C. Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale and the Santa Fe Modeler Organization (1994)
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Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs
Michael Gross
And interesting to note the hooks above the trucks for attaching Keeley journal box cooling cans. In an earlier post, someone had remarked that The Illinois Central often equipped freight cars with these hooks for a time.
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] freight car roster shots
naptownprr
Good looking models, Eric. Nice weathering
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Taking roster shots of your completed freight cars can document your fleet as it grows. I get caught up with several models recently and posted some thoughts on the process in my latest blog post.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Assembling Truss Rods
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Beautiful . . . . such patience! I gave up on O-scale being too small to work with . . . ugh!
Al Kresse
On December 11, 2019 at 7:31 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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freight car roster shots
Eric Hansmann
Taking roster shots of your completed freight cars can document your fleet as it grows. I get caught up with several models recently and posted some thoughts on the process in my latest blog post.
Eric Hansmann
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Assembling Truss Rods
Bill Welch
CAUTION: Slotted Screws Visible I have started rigging the truss rod system for my CB&Q model’s underframe. I use .015-brass wire for the rods so prior to gluing the Queen Posts in place I used a new Single Edge Razor Blade to widen the slots in the Grandt Line parts, carefully cleaving away hair width slivers of styrene on each of the sixteen parts. This took about three hours with frequent checks to make sure the .015-wire would nest in the slot. Next I drilled #77 holes in floor just inside the bolsters so one end of the .015 wire could pass through the floor. I did the interior pair first, bending a section of wire at about 75° on the end that goes through the floor and putting it through the hole I had drilled. Then I let the wire sit in the Queen Post’s slot. Resting my small Tamiya pliers against the Post I made a slight bend. Inevitably I had to adjust this bend until the wire now rests in both Posts to achieve the exact bend. I had already measured the distance between the Posts with my Mitutoyo Digimatic Caliper and then divided this calculation by two to determine the midpoint. I used this calculation to trim the wire. Then I repeated the process for the other truss rod section. Over the years I have accumulated a few packets of Grandt Line Brass Turnbuckles, These are very nicely detailed—albeit very small—parts. Because cyanoacrylate or CA is an effective glue in this situation, it is main reason I use brass wire with these parts. After I have made two good truss rods I trim each one just enough to create a small gap so that I can see through the turnbuckle. Once happy with each brass wire section, I filed each end to rough them up and then put them back in place resting on their respective Queen Post. Next I slipped the turnbuckle back on and make sure it is oriented so I can see through it. When I am happy, I apply a tiny drop of CA to the Queen Post/Brass Wire joints and to only one end of the turnbuckle, creating a slip joint. After these three joints have cured, I bent the wire ends locking them in the slightly oversized holes. With three glued joints and three that are not glued, this assembly can withstand a fair amount deflection without anything breaking. My goal is to align each of the turnbuckles so that I can slip a piece of scale scrap lumber through the turnbuckles, hopefully all eight but if not four on each side. (As I was taking the photos clouds were playing with the Sun changing the light so I included extras showing the turnbuckles in different lighting.)
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Paul Doggett
Bill
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You are not on your own using slotted screws I us BA screws as US screws are not readily available over here, BA ( British Association) are slotted. Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 10 Dec 2019, at 21:43, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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Re: WP conversion
Fred Jansz
Randy,
you can purchase the drawings at the Pullman Library, Illionois Railway Museum. The original drawings state: 3/32" roof plates and rivets, see drawing. The wooden construction must have been applied afterwards because WP MW2711 was converted from a caboose (that was converted from a 15001-series boxcar early 1940's). Cabooses did NOT have steel roofs anymore, they were rebuilt with wooden roofs, covered with muleskin. (© Picture: John Ryczkowski) regards Fred Jansz
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Re: WP conversion
Dear Garth,
the store cars were still on the system in the 1950's, see picture: SAC 7-56. They were numbered 8051-8085 from the start and went into MW/scrapped. Why are boxcars assigned to plaster service not assigned to general service? Not all of them loaded plaster, only 35 of the 125 cars numbered into 26001-26125 had either 2 or 4 roof hatches, see enclosed copy of my 1950 ORER. The rest was as built -only renumbered and with AB brakes- these cars stayed into service untill the end of WP in 1983. See diagram & picture in my previous post and enclosed photo by Bob Larson taken in 1970. cheers Fred Jansz
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Re: WP conversion
Randy Hees
We have one of these box cars in our museum shop, WP 2711, wreck train rider car (Elko) , earlier numbers unknown, To Heber UT, converted to a tourist rider car, to Nevada State Railroad Museum Boulder City, 1993, out of service, currently being rehabilitated for tourist service…
In the case of this car the roof system consists of steel carlines with wood ridge pole and perlins on top of the steel carlines (and blocking directly over the carline, with wood roof sheeting running the length of the car body, with longitudinal boards over that. There was a layer of roof felt or similar between the two layers of wood sheeting, and graveled roof felt over all. It is possible (even likely) that the last layer of graveled roof paper was added after the car left the WP, or at worst while in work service, but the remainder of the roof is clearly from railroad service. There is no evidence of any steel sheeting on this car.
By the way we would love to add any original plans to this car’s preservation file.
Randy Hees Director, Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Bill Welch
I knew there are "Prototype Police," had no idea there was a "Slotted Screw" police force. I better be careful about "screwing up."
Bill Welch
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Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs
Pretty sure those "brackets" are hinges for ice loading doors.
Best, Dave Smith
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Re: Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
gary laakso
Brian: Wonderful pictures, thank you very much for sharing them.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Rochon
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:02 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
From the Steamtown site today.
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4586.jpg
along with SFRD reefer 6719
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg
Brian Rochon
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Bill,
Nothing really, but I have a very strong preference for Philips head
screws, primarily because the screw driver can’t easily slide out of the slot as
with slotted screws. The down side of Philips screws is that both the
screw head and the screw driver are more easily damage than slotted screw heads
ad screw drivers, but that’s not a significant problem for me, especially with
the small screws we typically use in our modeling.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 6:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot
Boxcars What
is wrong with slotted screws, I have 400 of them?! Well truthfully I have
probably used 100 from that 400 screw order. Bill Welch
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Re: Building GN and CB&Q Truss Rod 40-Foot Boxcars
Nelson Moyer
Nothing ‘wrong’ with slotted screws, but RTR cars have mostly Philips. I started with slotted because I couldn’t source 2-56 Philips in the lengths I needed locally, but as I got serious about resin building, I ordered 500 each of four Philips
2-56 lengths. I swap out the slotted screws when cars need maintenance so I don’t have to hunt for the right screwdriver, a Philips #0 does it all. I find Philips easier to use than slotted. I standardized on Pan 2-56 Philips for both trucks and couplers as
a matter of convenience.
Nelson Moyer
On Dec 10, 2019, at 4:34 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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Load of Nash crates bound for Copenhagen in C&NW gon 75951 ca. 1926
Brian Rochon
From the Steamtown site today.
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4586.jpg
along with SFRD reefer 6719
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-19/X4544.jpg
Brian Rochon
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Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz
Kemal Mumcu
So I was wrong! Clark, for the CN cars you seek the article you want to read is Railmodel Journal October 2000. Available on TrainLife I believe.
Colin Meikle
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Re: WP conversion
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Fred and friends, What I said, or intended to say, was that WP 8051-8055 were the last of the ex-15001 cars in general service, and that they were gone before 1949. The renumbered 26001-series was assigned to Gerlich plaster service and in theory weren't used for general loading anymore (many, if not all, had interior bulkheads, and some had loading hatches). Further research in my collection throws a light on series 8051-8055's fate. While the 1947 general arrangement shows the 8051-series still listed as general freight cars, another version of the same general arrangement drawing with the numbers scratched out shows 8051-8085 in "store matl. service". This drawing is reproduced on page 163 of "MAINTENANCE OF WAY EQUIPMENT, WESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD CO.", the official collection of WP MW car drawings reprinted by the Portola Railroad Museum some 30 years ago. The MW number group is from the book's original table of contents, and is not actually reflected on page 163 itself. The WP could be pretty sloppy about such things, as it really didn't matter much except to the bean counters at headquarters in San Francisco. A few additional points on the numbers. The span of 8051-8055 comes from Frank Brehm's WP diagram web site, and is based on the caption he presented (sorry but his collection of diagrams is not currently available online). Upon careful examination of the diagram (which I downloaded), I see that the actual number span was 8051-8085. The numbers on the original were overwritten, and are a bit fuzzy, but this became apparent when I knew what to look for. So this tallies with numbers on the MW diagram cited above. According to that diagram, a total of 163 cars from the original 15001-series were converted to MW service (many becoming dormitory, kitchen or shop car conversions). WP MW8051-8085 (to use the correct spacing of WP's maintenance car numbering) apparently remained pretty much in original condition as boxcars. I did make one mistake in my post, but an honest one based on an error in the drawings. The 12' 10" maximum body height was not at the roof peak, though that is how it is shown on the 1947 re-drawing, and on the MW drawing cited above. That value was actually over the running board, as shown on earlier drawings. I discovered the discrepancy while doing further research after my post. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:03 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Garth,
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