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Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Brian Carlson
 

When I was creating my freight car roster for my 1957 layout Richard gave me some data on these cars. I have pasted that below. Note I have not yet looked into what reworkings are needed. 
Bx-48 class (750 cars built in '46; AAR box cars with 12 panel sides, can be modeled with a reworked C&BT kit; for some reason, many of these cars lasted into the '60s with their original P/L).
ATSF 274068 & 274099, Grand Canyon Line
ATSF 274279, Scout
ATSF 274326, 274329, & 274396, El Capitan
ATSF 274534, Super Chief
ATSF 274625, Chief.
Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer
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ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Brian Termunde
 

No problem sir, it was interesting to read, and we've certainly have had other partially or completely off-topic posts before.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
From: Mont Switzer
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 05:50:05 PST
My apologies to the STMF group for the trucking stuff in this message. I didn't know that response was going to the entire group.

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.


ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer


Need color pic of Gold Bond wrapper

Jim King
 

I’m finishing modifying an IM AAR bulkhead flat to represent B&O’s P-31c (an extra welded gusset will backdate this 1955) and need a color pic of a car with Gold Bond wrapper over plaster board (sheet rock).  These were bright orange with black lettering and white cardboard strips under the steel banding.  I’m looking for any bulkhead flat with this type of load, not B&O-specific.  The completed model will be featured in upcoming B&OHS Modeler issues (2 parts).

 

Please reply off-list if you can help.  Thanks.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940 PDF download

Bill Welch
 

Here is the Download link for a PDF version: https://ia802606.us.archive.org/14/items/CAT10939686/CAT10939686.pdf

Attached is a screen grab of the cover.

Bill Welch


Looking for George Paxon

James E Kubanick
 

George,

Please contact me at your convenience.

Jim Kubanick
jekuban@...


Re: Seatrain Ships

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Popular Science and Popular Mechanics are a source of many good railroad (freight car) images and articles.  Fascinating look into the past when people were interested in how things worked and doing things with their hands.

Quite a contrast to today’s “Popular Science” which is more of a catalog for Sharper Image with opinion pieces on technical and scientific issues.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seatrain Ships

 

Seatrain Ships

At the risk of going overboard on this topic, here are some links with more information, photos and diagrams on the Seatrain car ferries. The film is especially interesting.

Bob Chaparro

Port of Hemet, CA

++++

Popular Science Article, 1929

https://books.google.com/books?id=bCoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA53&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=true

Popular Mechanics Articel, 1947

https://books.google.com/books?id=0N4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=true

Film: Seatrain New Orleans

Film made in 1929. A lot of footage showing cars being moved inside the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBE9mzU_9OQ

Loading Illustration

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Seatrain_Method.jpg

Seatrain ferry loading 1956

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3153401      

The specialist crane hoist the cradle loaded with an ATSF boxcar from the Seatrain Louisiana

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Seatrain_Louisiana%2C_Hoisting_ATSF_Railroad_Freight_Car_from_Cargo_Hold%2C_Seatrain_Lines.jpg

Seatrain Loader,  Belle Chasse, LA

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1846297

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4624402


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Tim O'Connor
 

The state "full crew" laws were hilariously written so poorly that these "cabeese"
could be placed anywhere in the train. The Wabash had similar cars and would just put
people inside for the ride. They had nothing to do but hold on for dear life.

On 12/15/2019 3:41 PM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes Salem, Indiana on the Monon. The Monon built in the company shops these “head end cabooses”. They housed the head end brakeman and any LCL that may be carried to be distributed along the line. They were typically used on the wayfreight trains that ran each section of the line. I would have to dig my notes out but there were 6-8 of them built in the late 40’s from flats.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

lol - ok, ignore my reply :-P



On 12/15/2019 3:33 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.

     Shouldna typed so fast. Obviously it is the letters and border that are orange, and the background black. Sheesh.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tim O'Connor
 


What the?? Tony, the letters were orange-yellow and the rest was black,
with an orange-yellow border - just as Bill Welch describes.

This was done nicely on Proto 2000 B-50-22 cars.

Photos of the style are extremely rare! :-(

The style did not last long, as seen in the photo of T&NO 70287. Black on yellow
was much more visible than yellow over black.

Tim O'Connor





On 12/15/2019 3:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bill Welch wrote:

I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?

     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seatrain Ships

Bob Webber
 

There's also an article in Warships International on some of the ships' service in WW II - as can be imagined, they were excellent in terms of moving heavy land vehicles (and landing same).  If I'm not mistaken, these were "chartered" by the Army - not the Navy.  The Army attempted to garner the whole fleet.

They also were used to haul  freight cars to France and other overseas destinations..  This had the benefit of not having to knock down the built "kits" to be rebuilt ashore.  And then..some of those cars had kits as loads within.  At least some of the kits and built up kits were from Bessemer. 

 There is also an image of a load of reefers no one of the ships..where THAT one is can not be recalled at the moment. 

At 10:39 AM 12/16/2019, you wrote:

Seatrain Ships

At the risk of going overboard on this topic, here are some links with more information, photos and diagrams on the Seatrain car ferries. The film is especially interesting.

Bob Chaparro

Bob Webber


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Bill Keene
 

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:



New Resin Car Works mini-kit

Ken Soroos
 

Gentlemen -

I’m sorry for this last thread being posted to the RealSTMFC website. It was meant to be a personal reply to Eric, but I used the post from the site and neglected to change the address.. My fault completely.

Ken


Re: New Resin Car Works mini-kit

Ken Soroos
 

Hi Eric -

Not a problem.  These things are usually listed on the kit inserts, but with the Mini-Kits that space has been taken up with the background information.  Have a great Holiday Season!

Ken



On Dec 16, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

My fault on this one. I had updated the info but forgot to upload the new page. This should now list the correct kit credits. Hit refresh if some names are still in bold lettering.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Soroos
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Resin Car Works mini-kit
 
Hi Eric -
 
Looking over this post on the website, I noticed that Ted Culotta is listed as having done the decals.  I actually did them for the IC car this time.
 
Ken


On Dec 14, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
 
Resin Car Works has released a new HO scale mini-kit to build an Illinois Central single-sheathed boxcar. Kit details are featured in our latest blog post. 
 
 
 
Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy
 



Seatrain Ships

Bob Chaparro
 

Seatrain Ships

At the risk of going overboard on this topic, here are some links with more information, photos and diagrams on the Seatrain car ferries. The film is especially interesting.

Bob Chaparro

Port of Hemet, CA

++++

Popular Science Article, 1929

https://books.google.com/books?id=bCoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA53&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=true

Popular Mechanics Articel, 1947

https://books.google.com/books?id=0N4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=true

Film: Seatrain New Orleans

Film made in 1929. A lot of footage showing cars being moved inside the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBE9mzU_9OQ

Loading Illustration

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Seatrain_Method.jpg

Seatrain ferry loading 1956

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3153401       

The specialist crane hoist the cradle loaded with an ATSF boxcar from the Seatrain Louisiana

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Seatrain_Louisiana%2C_Hoisting_ATSF_Railroad_Freight_Car_from_Cargo_Hold%2C_Seatrain_Lines.jpg

Seatrain Loader,  Belle Chasse, LA

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1846297

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4624402


Re: New Resin Car Works mini-kit

Eric Hansmann
 

My fault on this one. I had updated the info but forgot to upload the new page. This should now list the correct kit credits. Hit refresh if some names are still in bold lettering.

http://resincarworks.com/extras/extras_minikit3-01_IC_1927xm.htm

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Soroos
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Resin Car Works mini-kit

 

Hi Eric -

 

Looking over this post on the website, I noticed that Ted Culotta is listed as having done the decals.  I actually did them for the IC car this time.

 

Ken



On Dec 14, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

Resin Car Works has released a new HO scale mini-kit to build an Illinois Central single-sheathed boxcar. Kit details are featured in our latest blog post.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

 


Open Top loads

Douglas Harding
 

In response to Tony's question, and to share with everyone, I have created a
folder in the Op Sig group files section titled "AAR open top car loading
rules"
This may be found at
https://groups.io/g/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/files/AAR%20Car%20Codes/AAR%20Open%
20Top%20Car%20Loading%20Rules

In it I have uploaded copies of the AAR booklets for Rules Governing loading
open top cars, which I recently acquired.

Section 1 Rules 1988
Section 2 Loading Pipe 1987
Section 3 Road Farm Equipment 1987
Section 4 Misc Machinery 1987
Section 5 Forest Products 1983 & 1987 (1983 version has more pages)
Section 6 DOD Military 1984
Section 7 TOFC Containers 1987

They were scanned, creating searchable pdfs, totaling about 190mb.

This will not answer Tony's questions about hoppers and covered hoppers, but
should give an excellent idea of what was transported in gons. More
important these booklets have drawings showing the proper way to load and
secure a wide variety of loads. Great for modeling ideas.

If you are not able to access the Op Sig group files, let me know. I can
load them to the this group files.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Visit our extended files area at: https://groups.io/g/OPS-INDfiles


Re: New Resin Car Works mini-kit

Ken Soroos
 

Hi Eric -

Looking over this post on the website, I noticed that Ted Culotta is listed as having done the decals.  I actually did them for the IC car this time.

Ken

On Dec 14, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Resin Car Works has released a new HO scale mini-kit to build an Illinois Central single-sheathed boxcar. Kit details are featured in our latest blog post.



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy



Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Mont Switzer
 

My apologies to the STMF group for the trucking stuff in this message. I didn't know that response was going to the entire group.

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.
Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.
mswitzer@...
(765) 836-2914

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc: William Darnaby <wdarnaby@...>; Tim Bachus <lvc420@...>; Ron Marquardt <marquardt@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

Ron,

We ran into the rider caboose issue when modeling the Transfer at Monon. When/how were the rider cars moved to the Transfer house for loading of LCL before going out on locals?

I asked Cookie and he told me they never did use the "baggage" end of the rider cars for LCL. LCL was loaded in clean dry boxcars, preferably with doors that worked easily.

Every time I looked in one of the rider cars the "baggage" end was full of tools of the trade: cables, re-railers, knuckles and assorted junk. One wag even had an overstuffed reclining easy chair strategically located near the large door opening. Tough duty.

After the recliner episode I thought I had seen it all until one was removed from a conventional GMC (small day cab) semi-tractor at Bender & Loudon Motor Freight, Inc. I still don't know how the driver assigned to the tractor got it in there because the shop had a hell of a time getting it out. Company policy was only one seat per tractor and it was reserved for the driver.

Mont

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.
Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.
mswitzer@...
(765) 836-2914

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Simunic
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 5:38 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

Monon rider car. Used in Indiana to allow LCL shipments. Also to accommodate the extra conductor, for extra crewman in Indiana. Not sure how it ended up out West. In later years used as tool car.
RonS