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Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted Eric Neubauer’s comments from the Early Rail list after my signature. He added quite a bit of history.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

A couple of comments: This isn’t a particularly large car for having 50-ton trucks, so it wasn’t designed specifically for coal. The dimensions suggest it could be used as an alternative for the HS, HP, and HK classes serving  collieries that couldn’t handle higher cars. The P&R did handle a large amount of iron ore and mill products which could take better advantage of the 50-ton trucks. Maybe the intent was to create a multi-purpose car which could be loaded to and from the iron furnaces and steel mills. Actually, an article in the 1/18/01 Railroad Gazette confirms this. It would also provide a reasonable explanation for any cars moving far from home.

 

Rebuilding the entire fleet into P&R 26001-27499 GAd class took place from 8-09 through 8-17, so they didn’t last long as built. Coincidently, Pressed Steel Car offered a fairly popular side-sill less version of their fish-belly hopper car design, and the P&R had a thousand of them. They were rebodied in the mid-teens. At that time they would have been 15 years old and due for rebuilding.

 

The P&R design was Cambria Steel’s first major venture into car building and P&R was the primary purchaser. CRRofNJ 38500-35999 (later 88000-88499) might have been a somewhat similar 40-ton version, but I can’t recall ever seeing a photo to confirm. The details of CB&Q 81000-81999 Caswell dump cars built by Cambria in 1903 are also similar to P&R GAc. Cornwall & Lebanon 1100-1199 built 1905 and 1907 had identical overall dimensions and likely used for iron ore. These were absorbed into the PRR fleet.

 

Cambria Steel was eventually acquired by Bethlehem Steel, and car building at Johnstown, PA ended in about 2008. By that time, the parent company had become Johnstown America, then Freight Car America.

 

I don’t quite understand the corrugated appearance inside the sides of the model. As far as I know, this class had no lining. Nice model anyway. I scratch built one of these out of Plastruct once. It didn’t have rivets. A solid lead center sill seemed to be the only way to hide the weight.

 

Eric Neubauer

BFE, Central Texas

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 2:45 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New early P&R steel gondola model

 

Eric,

 

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?


Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

 

 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Dave Parker
 

Garth:

It looks like the P&R 24000 series was renumbered to 26001-27499 in 1926, coincident with the change from P&R to RDG.  There were still 1493 cars in 1926, 1491 in 1930, and 950 in 1935.  I cannot find them in my January, 1938, register.

Hope this helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Tony Thompson
 


Garth Groff wrote:

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?

    Like many of the very earliest steel gondolas, this car lacks a substantial top chord as well as a side sill. I would guess they readily buckled if overloaded, as did many of these early cars.

Tony Thompson




Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Eric,

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Cocoa Beach

Spen Kellogg
 

I am looking for a ride from the Orlando Airport to the Oceanside Hilton in Cocoa Beach on Thursday January 9. I arrive in Orlando on United flight #293 at 1:22 PM.

Please respond off list to spninetynine at centurylink dot net.

Many thanks in advance.

Spen Kellogg


New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bernd Schroeder
 

another choice for Gypsum roofwalks is available from Kadee since earlier this year...so far, i saw these roofwalks (in 4 colors, only 40', also for Morton) only at one vendor on ebay that might be associated somehow w Kadee , but he was willing to sell to Germany and they are definitely existing...I bought enough to correct the RTR cars from Kadee in my collection where necessary.
It is a detail that is easy to see, so worth the expenses (the removed Apex roofwalks will be used on other cars anyway) and effort.

Bernd Schroeder
Adelsdorf, Germany
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Am 18.12.19, 02:54 schrieb mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>:

The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer.  But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1.  This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it.  It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.

Ron Merrick


Brewery Locomotive ID

Doug Auburg
 

I grew up with this “locomotive” being a part of the everyday scenery in Vancouver.

 

As others have said, it was a Bulldog Mac.  For most of its life working as the switcher for the Lucky Larger Brewery in Vancouver, Washington it looked stock.  The story I’ve heard is that sometime in the ‘60’s students at the local community college (Clark College) decided it should look more like a steam loco and fabricated the sheet metal body shown in the picture.  The truck was routinely stored on the street outside the brewery, so was a common sight when driving by.  There was track in the street up the to brewery and the Mack was used to move box cars between the brewery and the SP&S (later BN) yard.

 

The truck disappeared when the brewery was closed.

 

Doug Auburg

Battle Ground WA


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Jeff Sankus
 



s hi

On Dec 16, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:


Yes on the Monon decals.  Contact me off line at mswitzer@....

Mont Switzer 



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From: "Bill Keene via Groups.Io<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MONON gon spiral end

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:



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Jeff Sankus
Whitehouse Station, NJ
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Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

mopacfirst
 

The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer.  But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1.  This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it.  It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.

Ron Merrick


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Thank you to Charlie and Brian for the help. I had already tried a variation of the search Charlie suggested and didn't get good results. With his suggestion, I tried again with a different structure and got a site which answered the question: https://www.brewerygems.com/lucky.htm . It is indeed at the Lucky Lager brewery in Vancouver, Washington.

Brian is right in that the machine is a Mack, and of 1927 vintage. And I agree, it likely is an AC "Bulldog", though some other Macks also had chain drive (Models AP and FN were two). I had that part. And for our faithful Moderator/Sheriff, this thing batted around freight cars for many, many years. It even seems to have a coupler on its rear end.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:08 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Brian Rochon
 

Garth,

 

The photo appears to show chain drive on the truck.  Assuming the 1927 date is accurate, the cab and radiator indicate that this is probably an AC model Mack.

 

v/r

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Charlie Vlk
 

Garth-

I googled “Lucky Vancouver Railroad Brewery” and it returned the Lucky Lager the first beer produced by the 1934  General Brewing Company in California which formed a strategic partnership with Coast Breweries in Vancouver Island, BC and other Canadian breweries.   It expanded in the 50’s and 60’s as Lucky Lager Brewing Company in Vancouver WA….which is likely the venue for the photo.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brewery Locomotive ID

 

Friends,

 

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Brewery Locomotive ID

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Indulge me a bit here. This isn't strictly about freight cars, but I've spent hours trying to ID the attached photo of a 1927 Mack truck used as a switching locomotive I shot sometime in the 1960s. It was at a brewery in Oregon or Washington.

Any help would be appreciated.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

Question on ATSF Bx -48 on the running board.  Ed Hawkins has U.S. Gypsum (expanded metal)  and Pierre in his kit 105.1 states Apex Tri-Lok.  Are both correct?  And, I do not know what the U.S. Gypsum expanded metal looks like. Does the term “expanded metal” give it a different shape than the open diamond pattern formed by stamping and stretching 12-guage steel which I believe is the same as the Plano Model Products #192 US Gypsum -Diamond pattern ( photo attached)?
Lester Breuer


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

Generally, you need to contact the designer and ask if they are willing to do that. I have had success doing that sort of thing with a couple of designers.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Dec 17, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Rob M. via Groups.Io <rule292@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 



Re: MONON gon spiral end

Rob M.
 

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

It attached this time.
Lester Breuer


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

The CB&T Shops Model has on the other side has the slogan in the attached photo.
Lester Breuer


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


and the other side


On 12/16/2019 8:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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