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Re: Photo: NJI&I Boxcar 4100
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, Did anyone else notice that the photo of NJI&I is a very crude fake? Blow it up and you will see that the rivets appear to have been added through retouching and the trucks look like they were drawn by hand. It appears that the lettering was added onto a photo of another car. Even the panels are not of uniform width, though this did happen. Perhaps this photo is a mock-up done before the cars were actually built and lettered. NJI&I indeed did have a series of boxcar that match this number, 4100-4149. Yours Aye, Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge 🦆
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 12:25 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
I wondered about pumpkins as well, Doug, but these have too much length for any pumpkin variety I've ever seen even some grown hereabouts that have gone well over 1,000 pounds. Some have been carved into Cindarella's coach for display at fairs. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Proving once again that the DL&W LOVED concrete! I don't know if I've ever seen another road that used so much concrete for everything from culverts to major viaducts. Most seem to have withstood the test of time quite well. Are there any any that have failed that I am unaware of? Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?
John Barry
Alan, You may be able to obtain a scan of the Santa Fe blueprints for the cars from the archives in Temple Tx. Contact Craig Ordner, he archivist. I have obtained the sheets for the Bx-34 for this year's Shake & Take from there. I'm not sure on availability as anything past the Bx-44 is too new for me. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Friday, December 20, 2019, 07:35:10 PM EST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:
I have been looking at photos of the ATSF Boxcar series with the twelve panel sides and am trying to determine the dimensions of the one wide panel and the five narrow panels on each side of the door. Does anyone have a drawing of this series giving those dimensions? my calculations Scaled from blown up photos, the car is 40'6" or 486", so I come up with 3-44-32-32-32-32-32-72-32-32-32-32-44-3, 3" for the ends 72" for the door. I have conductors lists from 1954 on the Sierra Railroad and there are 15 cars from the 12 panel series Bx-48 Bx-50 Bx-51 Bx-53 Bx-60 Bx-62 Bx-63 on the list. I am trying to build the cars from this list for my railroad and would like to be as accurate as possible. If anyone has this info it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Al Smith Sonora CA "
On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 06:31:02 AM PST, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Ted Fenton On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Ted Culotta <speedwitchmedia@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Wabash Gondola 13000
Bill Welch
War Emergency gon available in kit form from Funaro & Camerlengo.
Bill Welch
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Photo: Wabash Gondola 13000
Photo: Wabash Gondola 13000 From the Decatur, IL, Herald & Review archives: Caption: H&R file photo 5-16-1944 Local Wabash car shops have just completed the first of 250 new composite gondola cars and will be busy until after July 1 turning out this order at the rate of about four cars a day. The shops have built about all other types of cars but this is the first composite gondola for them. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: NJI&I Boxcar 4100
Photo: NJI&I Boxcar 4100 From the Decatur, IL, Herald & Review archives: Caption: H&R file photo 2-3-1944 First new all-steel cars to be turned out at the Wabash car shops since relaxation of steel priorities for railroad work is a boxcar for the N.J.I. and I., a Wabash-controlled branch line in Northern Indiana. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: 3D printing (Was: New early P&R steel.....)
Bill Welch
Here is a used 3D Systems Projet 3600. https://www.ebay.com/i/264277258999?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=264277258999&targetid=593772166493&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012145&poi=&campaignid=2086169716&mkgroupid=76147899766&rlsatarget=aud-412677883135:pla-593772166493&abcId=1141016&merchantid=6296724&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImd65nN_J5gIVTvDACh3RMgOnEAQYASABEgIM5_D_BwE
Based on the used price alone, can only assume it will be awhile before we will see one for home use to turn out quality parts. Plus depending on where we live we might have to pay to fly in the techincian Ryan mentions plus the $2K for the routine maintenance. We can dream however. Wondering if there is any video showing the 3D Systems Projet 3600 or Projet 5500 printer in action? Thank you Ryan for taking time to explain the complexities. Bill Welch
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
Matthew Hurst
One on the left back of the truck looks like an abnormally large neck pumpkin.... the one that looks like a U....at least that’s what my wife says.
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Love the cars! Matthew Hurst Modeling the late great PRR and the tini tiny H&BTM Winchester, VA
On Dec 22, 2019, at 7:59 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
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Re: 3D printing (Was: New early P&R steel.....)
radiodial868
Ryan, thanks for this very good explanation. I reread it 3 times. I've been monitoring 3D printing with interest for about 3 years now, looking to move past having shapeways print my small detail parts and hoping commercial technology will eventually be able to do more complex car bodies. In the meantime, I keep watching for a home printer that can do those small detail parts. Speed is not important, but finish and ease of maintenance is.
RJ Dial Burlingame, CA
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Re: Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars
mopacfirst
And that small angle retaining piece is significantly bent, as are the tie rods attached to it, making it appear that the girder probably had a significant shift forward, assuming that the leading edge of the load was toward the viewer.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars
And in this photo, the retaining piece on the bottom at the end is fully attached to the girder, supporting the contention that the Steamtown photo is a "damage" photo.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:31 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars We’ve discussed this load before. Here’s another picture.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
if you look closely at the pic, the front centering bracket is partially separated from the bottom of the girder, indicating that the load had shifted forward slightly probably becauae of lack thereof or insufficient restraints, wonder if cfr49 was in existence back then or would have been the aar? mel perry
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:23 PM Matthew Metoyer <mmetoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
Eric's post points out that produce that would have been loaded into freight in the steam era may at times have little resemblance to what you might see in the market today. Agriculture and the genetics of the food raised have changed radically. New varieties
of crops are continually created by cross breeding and selection to meet threats such as disease, and market pressures, such as no bruises or blemishes.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 8:24 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ACL 17859 Those could be of the Moon and Stars variety, or Sugar Baby. There have been many varietals. Here are some.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Grace Tank Car
John Hile
Hello All,
AESX 576 is a Pressed Steel Car Co. product. Speedwitch Media's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Volume Two" has several photos for reference. The underframe of GRYX 168 may represent the fact that ACF changed running board supports on "Type 27" underframes around 1940. On "Type 27" prior to that date, they tend to be the tapered c-channels, hung on the side of the center sill (as shown on GRYX 168). These are similar (if not identical to) "Type 21" supports. After approx. 1940, the supports tend to be the angle-sections, which are triangulated to the top and bottom of the center sill. I have a great degree of confidence in the 1940 date from the photo evidence, but am using the word "tend" because we all know there is probably an ACF "Type 27" lot out there somewhere that will contradict the assumption that all supports changed in 1940. I'm glad to see this coming-up on the list, as a few of us briefly discussed this at the last St. Louis RPM. Also, note the mis-matched trucks on GRYX 168. John Hile Blacksburg, VA
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
Eric Hansmann
Those could be of the Moon and Stars variety, or Sugar Baby. There have been many varietals. Here are some.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Dec 22, 2019, at 7:59 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Perhaps, Mel, but I wonder if they are just quite a bit larger than we are used to. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: ACL 17859
They look like pumpkins to me.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel perry
those are wierd looking wstermelons mel perry
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 7:13 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars
RICH CHAPIN
photo date 1927
49 CFR regulates hazardous materials not structural loads, although there were AAR rules that were the predecessors of hazmat since 1911 I suspect AAR had practices for over-sized loads back then here's that girder in place rich chapin
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Santa Fe FE 26 DD 40-ft
Greg Martin
Hey Gize. Does anyone have access to plans for this car? I am looking for the dimensions of the side sill. I believe the it should br 26 inches and I eould like to verify that. It it customary gor the time, but I would love to know for sure before I brand this resin mastet. TIA, Gteg Martin Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: Bridge girder on three PRR FM flat cars
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
We’ve discussed this load before. Here’s another picture.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
if you look closely at the pic, the front centering bracket is partially separated from the bottom of the girder, indicating that the load had shifted forward slightly probably becauae of lack thereof or insufficient restraints, wonder if cfr49 was in existence back then or would have been the aar? mel perry
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 3:23 PM Matthew Metoyer <mmetoyer@...> wrote:
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