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Westerfield S.P. SS Boxcars
Richard Stern
Westerfield has released a number of new kits for Southern Pacific single-sheathed B50-15 boxcars. They have a number of unusual paint schemes, but I suspect from the descriptions that they did were only used on the SP, and didn't go into interchange servce. Can someone give me (a) some idea how the following were used and (b) whether they'd be seen on connecting railroads:
Original Wood Sheathed, SP Pacific Motor Trucking (PMT) and Overnight Versions of the B-50-15 SS Box Car Thanks Rick
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Re: micro coat flat
On Dec 27, 2019, at 1:08 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
3a. Re: micro coat flatSatin - semi gloss. Matte - flat Craig Zeni Cary NC
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CP 40 DD boxcar with end doors, Sylvan kit #1073 rerun reservations
Brent Greer
Cross posted from the Canadian Modeling List (with permission from the posting individual)
CP 40 foot Double Door with end door boxcar preliminary announcement, Sylvan kit HO-1073 I will be getting a custom run of Sylvan Models kit # HO-1073 Canadian Pacific Railway 40 foot double door boxcar with end door done in the New Year. This kit can be used to model 1938 built (road numbers 295500-295549), 1940 built (road numbers 295600-295649) and 1942 built (road numbers 295659-295799) cars. There were a total of 300 cars in this series. Many were subsequently renumbered into work service 404xxx numbers. The kit includes 13’6” doors for the 1938 cars along with the door extension that CP added to some cars, along with 15’ doors for the 1940 and 1942 built cars. In addition the kit will include Sylvan decals, etched brass ladders and a pair of Bettendorf trucks. Wheels and couplers are not included. Some of these cars lasted in revenue service into the early 1980’s, and some survived into the 1990’s or longer in company service. They are appropriate for steam era through to the modern day period. The kits will be $50 each. Please contact me via email at <mlwm420 AT gmail DOT com> to reserve your cars. No payment is required to reserve your model, payment will be due when the models ship. Shipping to your mailing address will be extra. Prototype photos of these cars in their original numbers are challenging to locate; below are a few photos of these cars in work service numbers via Canadian Freight Railcar Gallery, courtesy of Chris van der Heide. http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp404243&o=cprail http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp404243detail1&o=cprail http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp404094&o=cprail http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp404094_2&o=cprail http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp404077&o=cprail I have reserved a couple. If you are also interested, contact Marc Simpson off-list at the address listed in the body of his message above. Brent ________________________________ Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Eric Hansmann
I’m satisfied with the retainer valves on the Tichy K brake system parts sprue. I drill a hole and insert a length of 0.008-inch diameter wire before snipping them off the sprue. The brake parts all go into a multi-compartment box and the retainer valves are ready to install after the wire is in place.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Tichy on the #3013 spruce with no part number; however, across from the bell crank #22-3013 - inexpensive
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Tom Madden
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 11:01 AM, George Corral wrote:
Has anyone tried these? Shapeways: Bulk Retainer Valves by K. Kadwell Mfg. Co.I bought a set of 20 but haven't done anything with them. The back side is clean but the front side has the "frosty" look you get with this process. I expect that will clear up when they are ultrasonically cleaned with Bestine solvent. The material is very brittle and difficult to drill, so the designer has incorporated a stub coming out the bottom for the retainer pipe, with the idea that the modeler will make a butt joint between the stub and the wire retainer pipe. Problem is, the stub may be larger than the diameter of the wire you want to use. I can't get anything in to directly measure the stubs, but comparing them visually with drill shanks, they are about the same diameter as, and certainly no smaller than, a #80 drill, 0.0135". Tom Madden
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Re: Classic Trains on CD
Bob Webber
Tony, both are happening, often in step. For instance,
they (we) might have given up on some, but they are not processing
others. There is the main issue - one has to rationalize the costs
vs. the benefits (note I did not say revenue or profit).
And...it depends on who owns what. Were we to own the 2.5 million objects in the collection, and not be held by agreements - we'd likely put some images (lower-res, smaller size, less optimal formats) on the web. We can not do that, by agreement. I know of several archives that have, as you say, "given up" in terms of simply conserving, making they items available locally only, and hoping for a better day. Others are giving up by putting all or most on-line (in poorer qualities). Others straddle. There are many options, but those options may be rather restricted by something not in your power to change. Selling images may well be low income - depending on the scheme of things and your interpretations. We have ONLY that revenue stream, and that pays for everything we purchase (large format and other scanners, computers, storage, storage containers, etc. etc.). We are still ahead by doing so. We could *NEVER* pay a salary, or pay for the new building going up - but everything else is and must be covered. At 12:18 PM 12/27/2019, Tony Thompson wrote: Bob Webber wrote: Bob Webber
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Jon, Peter, et al.,
Tichy offers any array of wire diameters from 0.008” to 0.032” in 8” and 3’
lengths, as well as 0.040” wire but apparently only in 8” lengths. The
wire is phosphor-bronze rather than brass, but I’ve never found that to be a
problem for me. See: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop.aspx?SearchValue=wire.
Some of the Tichy wire products appear to be currently available from Walthers
too. https://www.walthers.com/search/category/products/accessories/scratch-building-supplies/manufacturer-name/tichy-train-group/show/120?is_active_flag=141007&match=AND&q=wire.
Clover House offers straightened brass in 12” lengths and an array of
diameters (https://cloverhouse.com/Cart/index.php?cPath=64&osCsid=cmrtivslojmrbbtq8ci2oeqv56),
as well as 100’ coils of phosphor-bronze wire in 0.013” and 0.020” diameters (https://cloverhouse.com/Cart/index.php?cPath=30_32).
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Jon
Miller
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 12:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO
Scale On 12/27/2019 8:52 AM, Peter Hall
wrote:
does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire? Tichy? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Classic Trains on CD
Tony Thompson
Bob Webber wrote:
Of course this is entirely right. But those who charge huge prices, such as the Smithsonian, either believe they can get it because they have great material, or are trying to make images into a "profit center," as business schools faithfully teach you to do. I'd bet the profit is microscopic and shrinking. Tony Thompson
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Peter Hall
Music wire is a good idea, and phosphor-bronze. DPH seems to be out of DA wire entirely, sadly.
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Thanks Pete
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Re: Classic Trains on CD
Bob Webber
This is an issue with digital images - people *WILL* copy,
share and post on the internet. They have since the inception
(which is one reason Microsoft's process is so convoluted and pricey
now). They will also copy & share things that were specifically
and explicitly forbidden by the license they signed (same).
You may disagree with the concept, then you shouldn't sign the license (which is a whole issue unto itself with EULAs being printed in -5 pt script and running on for chapters). What is going to happen is that institutions selling photos, drawings and other things digitally will have to increasingly turn to software that blocks attempts to download, copy, and other wise use something. Which will drive up costs and cut down on usability, flexibility, and customer satisfaction. When some knowingly disregard promises they made, it hurts every body. You may wish for better copies in PDF form (which isn't the best vehicle) and be able to ...well...make it portable (as the name implies) for your own purposes. That is and likely will be fine. It's the people who post such images on the internet (and or pass copies along to friends and manufacturers as their own) that kill offerings and drive up prices. I'd love to hear "solutions" (off-line or at Cocoa) as we have had to stop supplying some materials until some of this is resolved. It *WILL* make images harder to view, it *WILL* make images harder to come by, it *WILL* result in "policing" - people insist that anything on the Internet must be free, and any material feeding it must be too. They also insist that anything they "own" is theirs to do with as they please. That will kill more than you know. People have said $6 is too much to pay for an 8x10 print. I'd dearly love to see how they propose to store stock and to visit shows on less. It can not happen. Smithsonian charges $50 - or more. Others do as well, mainly due to "pirates", but also to sensibly defray costs. Feeling that it is the sellers problem (to pay for acquisition, maintenance, repair, and logistics) is simply uninformed or deliberately and willfully ignorant - and the reason many things available in the past & today will not be leaving archives - you'll have to visit them in order to look, and cameras and phones will not be allowed. At 10:44 AM 12/27/2019, Tim O'Connor wrote: My issue with Kalmbach is their proprietary images - If the images were good quality in Bob Webber
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Has anyone tried these? Shapeways: Bulk Retainer Valves by K. Kadwell Mfg. Co.
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Donald B. Valentine
Prantle's HAD 14 on Greedbay. They have 0 now. Cordially, Don Valentine.
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Jon Miller
On 12/27/2019 8:52 AM, Peter Hall
wrote:
does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire? Tichy? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 08:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire? I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.Tichy has .015" phosphor bronze wire, which I happen to like better than brass because it's stiffer. Here is a link to their catalog page: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_wire/Default.aspx Dennis Storzek
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Pierre Oliver
Tichy Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 12/27/19 11:59 a.m., Tim O'Connor
wrote:
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Pete Des Plaines Hobbies carries an incredible array of wire and tubing products. I'll be shocked if they don't have any. Another item that I have is small STEEL wire (music wire) - great for applications where you want wire that does not bend (e.g. tank car handrails, brake rods, etc). My local "Hobby Town" store sells it. Tim O'
On 12/27/2019 11:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire? I can’t find it from any of the usual sources. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: micro coat flat
Jon Miller
On 12/26/2019 6:40 PM, Craig Zeni
wrote:
bought mine from spruebrothers.com They list two types, matt and satin, no
flat. As these come from the EU what is the same as flat, matt? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Peter Hall
Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire? I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.
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Thanks Pete
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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Jack Burgess
I don’t see them on the sides of the log cars and it would be too easy to brake them off when the logs are rolled off. I’m guessing that they were on the inside of the end sill or side sill but I don’t see sign of the ends of the bolts/nuts which would have held them in place.
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
Jack,
They are usually on the side, near the B - end.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Speaking of retainer valves, where were they located on flat cars? The YV had several truss-rod flat cars and I don’t see retainer valves on either end. So maybe early flat cars didn’t have any.
I also don’t see them on the YV log cars of which the YV had 175. One builder’s photo shows a retainer on the end sill on the B end but it is missing in later photos. A YV brakeman told me that they set some of the retainers on the downhill/loaded log trains but when I asked him years later where the retainer was located he couldn’t remember.
Any ideas?
Jack Burgess
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Re: Classic Trains on CD
Jim
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My issue with Kalmbach is their proprietary images - If the images were good quality in a PDF format, I would get the entire MR/Trains/Classic/etc and load them onto my hard drive. CD-ROM itself is absolutely becoming a defunct technology. Kalmbach fears people sharing the stuff but the truth is that if the price is reasonable and the files are HUGE then most people would just pay to download the files. I would, anyway. I COULD scan them all but that would take forever! And you're right, SHELF SPACE in a home is far too valuable (expensive) for paper magazine storage - I have way over a hundred linear feet of train books and magazines on shelves - they could ALL fit on a single hard disk drive. :-\ Tim O'Connor
On 12/27/2019 12:15 AM, np328 wrote:
I am trying to continually downsize as I and my wife age, (I am only 63 and the wife just hit 50) I am even looking at the Classic Trains issues sitting on a shelf. Now I see that the first 15 years of that rag are available on CD. https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/product/dvd/15112 The price is not too bad considering all in all if the photo quality is good.. Has any one the list ordered this? Are you happy with your purchase regarding *** the photo reproduction quality?*** I would rather have to deal with space restraints regarding the models of the railroad cars we talk about here. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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