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36 in Gage Cast Sideframe Truck Drawings

mark_landgraf
 

Hi

A friend on a different group is looking for manufacturer drawings (like Bettendorf and ASF) for narrow gage cast trucks.  These were used by a variety of NG rr's under more modern freight cars as well as under tenders of Alco and BLW 2-8-2s.

They often had 4x7 journal bearings and typically 24 or 26 inch wheels with axle spacing's that ranged from 4 ft 2 in to 4 ft 11 inches.

Any suggestions or referrals would be appreciated

If you can assist please contact:
dave at cumberlandmodelengineering dot com>

Thank you,
Mark Landgraf


Prototype Rails Schedule

Mikebrock
 

Guys, to be on the safe side,

 

For those attending Prototype Rails 2020, at least one error in an attendee’s Schedule has surfaced. I noticed many more than the usual very small number of attendee’s checking out Saturday…Jan 11, 2020.  Such a checkout is noon Saturday. More than one clinician, scheduled to give a clinic Saturday night, is shown in the hotel registration as having checked out at noon Saturday. Please check your checkout time. If you are giving a clinic on Saturday afternoon/night you might want to see if you are still here. And, of course, you might want to attend a clinic given by someone not here.

 

Note also that the cutoff for making a reservation [ and possibly a change ] is Dec 31….Tuesday.

 

Mike Brock

Prototype Rails Chairman

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Roommate wanted for Cocoa Beach RPM meet

Jared Harper
 

I need a roommate  for Thursday, January 9-Sunday, January 12, to share a room at the Cocoa Beach RPM meet..  

Jared Harper
706-543-8821


Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Jon Miller
 

On 12/29/2019 9:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
SRIX Trivia:

    I read the article and from what I gather this was a far superior system to ice.  I guessing it was too expensive (starting with car cost) and maintenance heavy for the change from ice.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

SRIX Trivia:

1. Text from the Railway Age article: "The Safety Car Heating & Lighting Company, New York, has had in service for a number of months an iceless refrigerator car, the principle of the operation of which is based on certain physical properties of a substance known as silica gel. No source of mechanical power is required, the operation being effected by heat from a stored gas supply. Several long haul runs have been made with the first car equipped with this system and the results have been uniformly successful. A variety of commodities have been carried, including frozen fish, oranges, and cantaloupe."

2. The December 1928 Frisco Employees Magazine reported a complimentary letter from a consignee about the railroad's service, which used SRIX 25 to transport fish from Midway, CT, to Ft. Worth, TX. The praise was for the speed of service rather than the car, however.

3. In 1930, the publication Better Fruit reported that an iceless, stoveless car, called a Silica Gel or Srix car, carried pears from Yakima to New York in March and the pears reached New York in perfect condition.

The Minnesota Historical Society has Great Northern Railroad documents on the fruit claims of R. W. Gudgeon regarding movement in SRIX cars, 1933-1934.

4. The Safety Car Heating & Lighting Company was incorporated in 1887 and owned the American patents for the Pintsch compressed oil-gas system for lighting railroad cars. The company also controlled a system for heating cars.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

Mikebrock
 

Guys, to be on the safe side,

For those attending Prototype Rails 2020, at least one error in an attendee’s Schedule has surfaced. I noticed many more than the usual very small number of attendee’s checking out Saturday…Jan 11, 2020. Such a checkout is noon Saturday. More than one clinician, scheduled to give a clinic Saturday night, is shown in the hotel registration as having checked out at noon Saturday. Please check your checkout time. If you are giving a clinic on Saturday afternoon/night you might want to see if you are still here. And, of course, you might want to attend a clinic given by someone not here.

Note also that the cutoff for making a reservation [ and possibly a change ] is Dec 31….Tuesday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Chairman


Prototype Rails Clinic Info

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Prototype Rails 2020 in Cocoa Beach, FL will begin on Thursday, January 9, 2020.  More information can be found at http://www.prototyperails.com/ .  There’s a link to the clinic descriptions, as well as a link to the clinic schedule. 

 

I hope we’ll see you at the beach!

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’20

 


BAR Potato Reefers with outside heaters

George Courtney
 

Did any of the BAR wood reefers, in the late 1940's blue and white scheme, (No Red) have outside hung heaters?  I searched and saw a discussion on heaters placed inside, but no clarification on whether or not their were external heaters on these cars around 1950.  I'm referring to actual reefers and not insulated boxcars.

George Courtney


Re: DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

mel perry
 

i guess your first quest would be an
ORER for dims? for slicing & dicing
mel perry


On Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 11:52 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
I was wondering if there is an existing model for this other car (shown in the photo Bob has linked below.) It looks like the Tichy 3001 end would be a good starting point, and maybe ? an Accurail floor as a starting point. 
 
I do not have any info on the history of these cars, so do not know if would still be running in 1946 when I model.  But it made me curious.  Would like to see decent photos of the car side and frame too.
 
Didn’t see this series mentioned in the list archives
 
 
Rob Kirkham
 
 
 
Photo: SRLX Reefers
Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 
 


Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Richard is correct... the reporting marks show a S.R.I.X. on my 27” 5 k monitor.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


On Dec 29, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


I don't think they are SRLX cars. I think they are SRIX. The dot after the "I" makes it look like an "L". My 1931 CBC on pages 190-192 has a photo and plans. The cars used a "silica-gel iceless system" for refrigeration. There were burners in one end heating, I presume, the silica gel, that somehow resulted in cooling the car via evaporators and condensers at the roof.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 10:34 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SRLX Reefers

Photo: SRLX Reefers
Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Ben. Well, good to put that confusion aside. My first impression had been steel sheathing and imagined a re-build. Looking twice, I see no rivets.

USRA double sheathed boxcar it is.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was wondering if there is an existing model for this other car (shown in the photo Bob has linked below.) It looks like the Tichy 3001 end would be a good starting point, and maybe ? an Accurail floor as a starting point."

Or, depending on the era modeled, you can pick up your choice of HO scale USRA double-sheathed boxcar model. DL&W 44200-44799, 600 cars. 


"I do not have any info on the history of these cars, so do not know if would still be running in 1946 when I model.  But it made me curious.  Would like to see decent photos of the car side and frame too."

January 1940 ORER lists 439 cars, down to 18 cars by January 1950.  Cars received Hutchins roofs; your best bet for 1946 would be Westerfield 3863.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=238


Ben Hom


Re: micro coat flat

spsalso
 

If'n you have a bottle of clear, and you wonder whether it is gloss or flat:  the flat will have "sediment" (the flattening agent), after it's been sitting awhile.

When I've wanted more "flatness" in my clearcoats, I've waited for the sediment to settle, and poured off some of the clear.  I did it with Floquil.  And I do it for Dullcoat.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

Benjamin Hom
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I was wondering if there is an existing model for this other car (shown in the photo Bob has linked below.) It looks like the Tichy 3001 end would be a good starting point, and maybe ? an Accurail floor as a starting point."

Or, depending on the era modeled, you can pick up your choice of HO scale USRA double-sheathed boxcar model. DL&W 44200-44799, 600 cars. 


"I do not have any info on the history of these cars, so do not know if would still be running in 1946 when I model.  But it made me curious.  Would like to see decent photos of the car side and frame too."

January 1940 ORER lists 439 cars, down to 18 cars by January 1950.  Cars received Hutchins roofs; your best bet for 1946 would be Westerfield 3863.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=238


Ben Hom


DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

Robert kirkham
 

I was wondering if there is an existing model for this other car (shown in the photo Bob has linked below.) It looks like the Tichy 3001 end would be a good starting point, and maybe ? an Accurail floor as a starting point. 
 
I do not have any info on the history of these cars, so do not know if would still be running in 1946 when I model.  But it made me curious.  Would like to see decent photos of the car side and frame too.
 
Didn’t see this series mentioned in the list archives
 
 
Rob Kirkham
 
 
 
Photo: SRLX Reefers
Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
 
 


Re: SN Tank Car MW 68

Jim Betz
 

Garth,
  I don't have my ORERs where I can get at them (recent move).  Can't you
find out info about this car in them going by car number and "go from there"?
If you can find the car(s) you should also be able to learn builder, type, etc.
                                       - Jim B.


Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Jon Miller
 

On 12/29/2019 11:16 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
I think they are SRIX.

See;

https://books.google.com/books?id=oHJCAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=silica-gel+iceless+system+for+refrigeration&source=bl&ots=yBsJQW5Cp0&sig=ACfU3U3pXWXVImL6dYTdlXXInunnf328qw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnrPbby9vmAhWZLs0KHd8zCYwQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=silica-gel%20iceless%20system%20for%20refrigeration&f=false

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo: DL&W 70793

Tony Thompson
 

In the early 20th century, there were cars called "hopper-bottom gondolas," that had modest amounts of slope sheets to help most of the cargo depart through the doors. In later years, the hopper definition was changed to "self clearing," meaning ALL cargo would depart by gravity. Many hopper-bottom gondolas were not entirely self-clearing and could not have been called hoppers in later years.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Richard Townsend
 

The CBC plans and photo are for a steel-bodied version of the car, lettered SRIX 101, built 10-29.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SRLX Reefers

I don't think they are SRLX cars. I think they are SRIX. The dot after the "I" makes it look like an "L". My 1931 CBC on pages 190-192 has a photo and plans. The cars used a "silica-gel iceless system" for refrigeration. There were burners in one end heating, I presume, the silica gel, that somehow resulted in cooling the car via evaporators and condensers at the roof.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 10:34 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SRLX Reefers

Photo: SRLX Reefers
Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: SRLX Reefers

Richard Townsend
 

I don't think they are SRLX cars. I think they are SRIX. The dot after the "I" makes it look like an "L". My 1931 CBC on pages 190-192 has a photo and plans. The cars used a "silica-gel iceless system" for refrigeration. There were burners in one end heating, I presume, the silica gel, that somehow resulted in cooling the car via evaporators and condensers at the roof.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 29, 2019 10:34 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SRLX Reefers

Photo: SRLX Reefers
Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: SRLX Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SRLX Reefers

Does anyone have details about the Swift refrigerator cars that are on the right side of this photo?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-29-19/X7002.jpg

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

The lettering on the one car appears to say "Safety Refrigerator".

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA