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Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Pierre Oliver
 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Erie Boxcar red help

Brian Carlson
 

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

mopacfirst
 

Replying to my own post, I'd be happy to see a steel-side rebuild of any of these Santa Fe cars,  I'd be happier yet to see a decal with an actual 8' circle-cross and the three-line 'ship and travel'.

Ron Merrick


More updates

Greg Martin
 

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry. 

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build." 

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship. 

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts. 

If your plans have changed as they have for Paul, please let us know and we will quickly fill your spot. We are also keeping a close eye on the amount of aftermarket paste needed.

Step up and let us know as we want to make sure that the extra parts are covered for you in the quantity you need.

Thursday night we will have a small discussion (in the bar) on the projects that are in the pipeline, there are some needed projects coming. The growth of the SHAKE N TAKE concept will be under discussion. Your welcome to attend and add to the discussion. 

  1. Fenton Wells
  2. Monte Switzer
  3. Mike Smeltzer
  4. Ed Shoben
  5. Bruce Smith
  6. Richard Townsend
  7. Dr J Brent Greer
  8. Roger Hinman
  9. Craig Zeni
  10. Tom Sinks
  11. Mark Kapka
  12. Alex Schneider
  13. Steve Hile
  14. TJ Stranton
  15. Bill Raymond
  16. John Cantlay
  17. Bill Darnaby
  18. George Corral
  19. Steve Orth
  20. Schuyler Larrabee
  21. Jim Singer 
  22. Kevin von der Lippe
  23. Henry Horn 
  24. Tony Thompson
  25. Mike Brock 
  26. Mike Skibbe
Reserve list
  1. Chuck Davis
  2. Roger Wilson
  3. Ken O'Brien
  4. Allan Iezzi
Greg Martin

Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

mopacfirst
 

Considering that I recently finished a RI 141000. have a raised-roof Bx-11 in the decaling stage, and have two raised-roof Bx-12 with bodies assembled and underframe mostly finished, I have mixed feelings.  But since I'm a MoPac modeler, and these cars are probably all I need of their type, I will probably just look on from the sidelines.

It'll be interesting to see what these guys do next, though.

Ron Merrick


Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

radiodial868
 

Yep, we've all been there. Better pics or info come out after the car is done, and it will always bug you until addressed (well, it does me at least). You did a really nice save.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: Classic Trains on CD

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Sir,

A big part of doing magazine articles for Rr HSs is getting high res images.  Many are offered conditional on being paper published only.  If digital copies are offered then they must have a watermark and lower resolution image.  Rr historical societies are typically 503-3-c not for profits.  They can't afford to pay higher photo fees from established collections.  They want users to go directly to them for a hi-res scan or print  . . . . supporting archivist salaries and scanning equipment costs.

Rr HSs tend to "share" images used in articles for just a photo credit line agreement.

Al 

On December 31, 2019 at 10:26 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

    Gentlemen, 
  thank you for  all the input.  I had someone else who's opinion I highly value contact me off line and relate how they ordered a CD of XYZ publication, and then returned it for a refund - based on quality of copying resolution.  Stated that early issues were scanned, poorly, the switched to a better pdf format.  In the end though, it was returned. 

       I did ask locally about the CD, and found no one. ( I do, do my homework,) That is why I posted the question here. 

 However, a third point of axis in this discussion. I have and will continue to scan (for my personal use) modeling articles. I look at these and the quality of the scan - done by myself - even at a 240 dpi - leaves me wanting.
        Why not crank up the dpi ?, you ask. In my opinion, it does not make a better scan, just starts creating huge files which I know will eventually bog down my computer. Try it yourself and you will find what I have.  

      If, if these materials were first formatted in a pdf format, I would accept that as OK. I have written articles for my HS and they sent out a pdf for the authors to check their work as it is to be printed, these I have always found the format - satisfactory.  

     BTW, I pushed as an officer of my HS to get digital copies of our societies magazine as an option. Printing costs, mailing costs are nil. And an internal audit that my HS had done, showed back copies for some issues based on sales - would last 200 years ( yup - two hundred years!) and the membership was (and I would believe STILL IS) paying to warehouse these into infinity.  Drip, drip, drip, go the dollars.  It is my belief that an HS could halve the cost of digital subscriptions to the society rag, and see an increase in total revenue.  
      Even if someone passes a digital copy of a magazine on, it is likely to be a very small percentage and hey, at least in the Twin Cities here, for decades now, …. decades..... I have seen magazines re-sellers at model railroad events. And the world has not stopped turning.
     I also find most curiously that people who seem most concerned about digital copies being passed on, are the ones I could see doing such things. I guess I don't think that way.  

     Back on to the original subject. Photos are what I, and after decades of giving presentations, what most of us value.  I suppose I will just take a harder look at content of the magazines I have. I currently look at the modeling magazines table of content and ask myself - what interests me? Technique articles, a how to - might get scanned. Ted's essential and many of RH's old articles, yes!        If nothing does - recycle! 
                                                                                                                             again, thanks for the input, H NY,     see some of you at the beach.      Jim Dick 

 


Re: Today on Erie-Lackawanna site

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Bruce,

I believe that that hole is not what Jon is referring to... but rather the “bubbling” of incipient corrosion along the bottom of the sides. This is similar to what happened to the PRR X29 cars... which I have come to believe came from the reaction of acidic oak floorboards used at the time and the side sheets.  I am discounting the effects of rain, since I do not see evidence of leaking roofs in period photos... and leaking roofs should have been repaired. 

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


On Dec 31, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Jon,

I'm not 100% convinced that that hole is in car. I think it might be an issue with the negative. I state this as I can see nothing inside the hole and there should be some structure there and the hole and associated markings don't look like they match to the plane of the car side exactly.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Today on Erie-Lackawanna site
 
On 12/31/2019 6:13 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:

and Canadian Pacific box car 242550 circa 1930

    Based on the circle of chalk and the question mark both the chalk-er and me wonder what made that hole.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice work, Lester. This is one of those simple tasks that gives a freight car a bit of character as it follows the prototype. Thank for sharing!


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On January 1, 2020 at 6:36 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have repainted the roof on ATSF class Bx-48 twelve side panel steel boxcar numbered 274525.  If you are interested as to why and how, photos and writeup of the repaint process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: 36 in Gage Cast Sideframe Truck Drawings

mark_landgraf
 

Doug thanks for the referral 

Mark


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:39 PM, Doug MacLeod
<dmacleod123@...> wrote:

Check with Denver Public Library.  They may have the drawings he is looking for.  The drawing for sale on ebay is a what John Maxwell retraced and he use to sell when he was alive.  He son, Bruce was selling the drawings until he died.

I used that same drawing to make a plastic injection mold cavity for in ¼”=1’ in December 1972 or January 1973.

Doug

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

Lester Breuer
 

I have repainted the roof on ATSF class Bx-48 twelve side panel steel boxcar numbered 274525.  If you are interested as to why and how, photos and writeup of the repaint process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: 36 in Gage Cast Sideframe Truck Drawings

Doug MacLeod
 

Check with Denver Public Library.  They may have the drawings he is looking for.  The drawing for sale on ebay is a what John Maxwell retraced and he use to sell when he was alive.  He son, Bruce was selling the drawings until he died.

I used that same drawing to make a plastic injection mold cavity for in ¼”=1’ in December 1972 or January 1973.

Doug

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Classic Trains on CD

np328
 

    Gentlemen, 
  thank you for all the input.  I had someone else who's opinion I highly value contact me off line and relate how they ordered a CD of XYZ publication, and then returned it for a refund - based on quality of copying resolution.  Stated that early issues were scanned, poorly, the switched to a better pdf format.  In the end though, it was returned. 

       I did ask locally about the CD, and found no one. ( I do, do my homework,) That is why I posted the question here. 

 However, a third point of axis in this discussion. I have and will continue to scan (for my personal use) modeling articles. I look at these and the quality of the scan - done by myself - even at a 240 dpi - leaves me wanting.
        Why not crank up the dpi ?, you ask. In my opinion, it does not make a better scan, just starts creating huge files which I know will eventually bog down my computer. Try it yourself and you will find what I have.  

      If, if these materials were first formatted in a pdf format, I would accept that as OK. I have written articles for my HS and they sent out a pdf for the authors to check their work as it is to be printed, these I have always found the format - satisfactory.  

     BTW, I pushed as an officer of my HS to get digital copies of our societies magazine as an option. Printing costs, mailing costs are nil. And an internal audit that my HS had done, showed back copies for some issues based on sales - would last 200 years (yup - two hundred years!) and the membership was (and I would believe STILL IS) paying to warehouse these into infinity.  Drip, drip, drip, go the dollars.  It is my belief that an HS could halve the cost of digital subscriptions to the society rag, and see an increase in total revenue.  
      Even if someone passes a digital copy of a magazine on, it is likely to be a very small percentage and hey, at least in the Twin Cities here, for decades now, …. decades..... I have seen magazines re-sellers at model railroad events. And the world has not stopped turning.
     I also find most curiously that people who seem most concerned about digital copies being passed on, are the ones I could see doing such things. I guess I don't think that way.  

     Back on to the original subject. Photos are what I, and after decades of giving presentations, what most of us value.  I suppose I will just take a harder look at content of the magazines I have. I currently look at the modeling magazines table of content and ask myself - what interests me? Technique articles, a how to - might get scanned. Ted's essential and many of RH's old articles, yes!        If nothing does - recycle! 
                                                                                                                             again, thanks for the input, H NY,     see some of you at the beach.      Jim Dick 


Today on Erie-Lackawanna site

David
 

and Canadian Pacific box car 242550 circa 1930

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-31-19/X7176.jpg

Looks like there is already some corrosion along the bottom of the side sheets.

David Thompson


Re: 36 in Gage Cast Sideframe Truck Drawings

mark_landgraf
 

Richard

Thank you for the referral. 

Mark


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:30 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
<richtownsend@...> wrote:
Here is a drawing of C&S trucks from Bettendorf Axle Co.:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blueprint-Colorado-Southern-Bettendorf-Truck-NG-class-F2-Drawing/392264655368?hash=item5b54cba208:g:Cq4AAOSwtx1clVpx

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2019 7:21 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 36 in Gage Cast Sideframe Truck Drawings

Hi

A friend on a different group is looking for manufacturer drawings (like Bettendorf and ASF) for narrow gage cast trucks.  These were used by a variety of NG rr's under more modern freight cars as well as under tenders of Alco and BLW 2-8-2s.

They often had 4x7 journal bearings and typically 24 or 26 inch wheels with axle spacing's that ranged from 4 ft 2 in to 4 ft 11 inches.

Any suggestions or referrals would be appreciated

If you can assist please contact:
dave at cumberlandmodelengineering dot com>

Thank you,
Mark Landgraf


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Mark Hemphill
 

I was focusing on 1964 -- and the rebuilds will work for that -- but these are giving me the urge to build a early 50s rolling stock fleet too.

Mark Hemphill


Re: Today on Erie-Lackawanna site

Bruce Smith
 

Jon,

I'm not 100% convinced that that hole is in car. I think it might be an issue with the negative. I state this as I can see nothing inside the hole and there should be some structure there and the hole and associated markings don't look like they match to the plane of the car side exactly.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Today on Erie-Lackawanna site
 
On 12/31/2019 6:13 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:

and Canadian Pacific box car 242550 circa 1930

    Based on the circle of chalk and the question mark both the chalk-er and me wonder what made that hole.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Classic Trains on CD

spsalso
 

Kalmbach could have kept the pages "actual size" by upping the dpi (dots per inch).  They didn't.

When the MR one came out, I asked them to post a sample page for inspection.  They didn't.

I think the digitization of MR and etc. was done with the intent to make money:  charge the most and spend the least.  I could be wrong, of course.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Classic Trains on CD

G.J. Irwin
 

Going back to the original question for a moment, if the Classic Trains digital version is anything like the Model Railroader digital archive on DVD, I would probably advise against purchasing it.

The key reason: Resolution.  (I'll skip the "proprietary format" discussion...)

I moved up from a 21 inch to a 32 inch monitor in the past couple of months.  I <thought> that I would have an easier time reading the back issues of MR.  Silly me.  The scan resolution is simply not that good.  Making the image larger does not make it "better."  I'm no expert on this, but I feel like the scan images were made to emulate the actual size of the magazine and no larger.   I am enjoying the look back (I'm up to January 1955, moving chronologically) but I would have liked it more if I could read and view the images more clearly.

I would check to see if someone local had a copy of the Classic Trains DVD and ask for a look-see before buying.  

Cheers,

George Irwin


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/31/2019 11:43 AM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
all variations produced at once, but no reruns

    I don't know much about this but could aluminum molds be much cheaper and then simply not redo or re-cut be the thoughts for one run only.  I understand aluminum molds wear out much faster than other materials but are easier (maybe cheaper to make).

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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