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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Thanks, guys. Maybe I really should reread my copy of the Societies’s Boxcar book.
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Bill Daniels Santa Rosa, California
On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:33 PM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Marty McGuirk
My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it.
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye.
Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied -
Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: Tahoe Model Works
David North
Hi Brian, Thanks mate. I’ll try again to email you. Cheers Dave North
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
John Barry
Bill, I respectfully disagree, Santa Fe steel running boards remained unpainted galvanized when applied new. They were only painted to match the roof in a repaint. Had the running boards been wood, you would be correct that they should be Mineral Brown. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 06:12:14 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:
Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body. Bill W
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Re: Tahoe Model Works
brianleppert@att.net
Tahoe Model Works e-mail is brianleppert at att dot net (change the "at" for "@" and the "dot" for "."
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Tahoe Model Works
David North
Hi, Does anyone have Brian’s business email address, please? Cheers Dave North
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Never say never. Some Santa Fe metal running boards were left galvanized
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George Hollwedel
On Jan 1, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Corey Fischer
I agree, The idea that a paint needs to be exactly “Erie Brown” is ridiculous for an in-service and slightly weathered car. Paint fades and weathers differently. Plenty of examples of this can be found even with the more stable paints of today. Just mix whatever paints you have on stock to get close to that color it. You want different shades of paint on cars from the same road, its more prototypical. Corey
On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Only if it is a wooden roof walk... metal roof walks match the roof color.
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Bill Daniels Santa Rosa, California
On Jan 1, 2020, at 3:12 PM, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Todd Sullivan
And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted. I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red.
Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car. The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants. Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment. Todd Sullivan
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
bill woelfel
Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body. Bill W
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Nelson Moyer
Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help
And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Greg Martin
Brian, TESTORS Flat Grapefruit in the 1/4oz. bottles. I gat mine at Michaels Arts and Craft. It is a rather new color. It may be a bit light, but very close. Greg Martin Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...> Date: 1/1/20 12:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
-- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Schleigh Mike
Hello Group & Brian! My best choice for the ERIE's FCR was the Floquil FCR for the ATSF. I have never compared it with Vallejo or Tamiya but perhaps that color would provide you a basis to choose. Not to go tangential here but, in my experience, Intermountain never got this right on their ERIE boxcars. Branchline did it better and perhaps is another comparison you might make. Regards --- Mike Schleigh from Grove City, Penna.
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 03:14:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Pierre Oliver
And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as
well, as I've discovered Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via
Groups.Io wrote:
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Erie Boxcar red help
My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI
mopacfirst
Replying to my own post, I'd be happy to see a steel-side rebuild of any of these Santa Fe cars, I'd be happier yet to see a decal with an actual 8' circle-cross and the three-line 'ship and travel'.
Ron Merrick
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More updates
Greg Martin
This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.
This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build." John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship. Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit. Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts. If your plans have changed as they have for Paul, please let us know and we will quickly fill your spot. We are also keeping a close eye on the amount of aftermarket paste needed. Step up and let us know as we want to make sure that the extra parts are covered for you in the quantity you need.
Thursday night we will have a small discussion (in the bar) on the projects that are in the pipeline, there are some needed projects coming. The growth of the SHAKE N TAKE concept will be under discussion. Your welcome to attend and add to the discussion.
Reserve list
-- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI
mopacfirst
Considering that I recently finished a RI 141000. have a raised-roof Bx-11 in the decaling stage, and have two raised-roof Bx-12 with bodies assembled and underframe mostly finished, I have mixed feelings. But since I'm a MoPac modeler, and these cars are probably all I need of their type, I will probably just look on from the sidelines.
It'll be interesting to see what these guys do next, though. Ron Merrick
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
radiodial868
Yep, we've all been there. Better pics or info come out after the car is done, and it will always bug you until addressed (well, it does me at least). You did a really nice save.
RJ Dial Burlingame, CA
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