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Steel Boxcar Paint Cycles -- Good and Bad

Bob Chapman
 

In looking at photos as a guide for weathering, it seems that some roads' steel boxcars tended to look nice, while others tended to look grubby. I'm not talking about routine weathering from road grime and the elements -- I'm thinking more about how often the cars were cycled through the paint shop. For example, from an admittedly small sample of non-builder photos, SR's cars often tended to look relatively fresh in the 50s, suggesting that they were repainted more often. Thus on a recent SR boxcar project, I went with relatively light weathering. 

I'm sure there's insight in the group on this. Are there some roads whose steel boxcars often tended to look fresh, and other roads whose cars more frequently looked in need of repaint?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman   



Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Jon Miller
 

On 1/2/2020 10:27 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Will you be offering these trucks?

    Good question, we already have excellent Dalman 2 level!  Not sure if enough are available to save Randy some tooling costs!

-- 
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For me time stopped in 1941
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Member SFRH&MS

Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

 

Hello Randy,

In your earlier post, you mentioned Dalman One-Level trucks and stated they have never been offered in HO before. A big hole, of many.

Will you be offering these trucks?

Hoping,
Dan Smith

Kits/Cars for Sale

Tom Lawler
 

Hi,

New Years and time to thin the herd a bit. I have 8 Westerfield, 7 Sunshine, 5 F&C, 3 Intermountain R-40-23, 2 Speedwitch and 1 NEB&W kits/cars for sale. All Steam era cars. Email me if interested, not the list! I will respond to emails to me with a spreadsheet of items available.

Tom

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nice job on this early Westerfield car.  I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage.  I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit.  One note.  The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal.  Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part.

Bull Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 

Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Randy Hammill
 

Now that you mention it...

https://www.prototypejunction.com/2019/12/project-1-atsf-bx-11-12-and-13-rebuilds.html

The next post will also be later today with some more options.

We'll be posting all of the details about how to order the cars, etc. and answering all of your questions when we launch at Cocoa Beach next week

Stay tuned!

Randy


Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Thanks, guys. Maybe I really should reread my copy of the Societies’s Boxcar book.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California 


On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:33 PM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Bill,

I respectfully disagree, Santa Fe steel running boards remained unpainted galvanized when applied new.  They were only painted to match the roof in a repaint.  Had the running boards been wood, you would be correct that they should be Mineral Brown.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 06:12:14 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Marty McGuirk
 

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk

On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 

Re: Tahoe Model Works

David North
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks mate.

I’ll try again to email you.

Cheers

Dave North

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

John Barry
 

Bill,

I respectfully disagree, Santa Fe steel running boards remained unpainted galvanized when applied new.  They were only painted to match the roof in a repaint.  Had the running boards been wood, you would be correct that they should be Mineral Brown.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 06:12:14 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W

Re: Tahoe Model Works

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tahoe Model Works e-mail is  brianleppert at att dot net (change the "at" for "@" and the "dot" for "."

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

Tahoe Model Works

David North
 

Hi,

Does anyone have Brian’s business email address, please?

Cheers

Dave North

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

George Hollwedel
 

Never say never. Some Santa Fe metal running boards were left galvanized

George Hollwedel 


On Jan 1, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf@...> wrote:

Only if it is a wooden roof walk... metal roof walks match the roof color.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


On Jan 1, 2020, at 3:12 PM, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Corey Fischer
 

I agree,

 The idea that a paint needs to be exactly “Erie Brown” is ridiculous for an in-service and slightly weathered car. Paint fades and weathers differently. Plenty of examples of this can be found even with the more stable paints of today. Just mix whatever paints you have on stock to get close to that color it. You want different shades of paint on cars from the same road, its more prototypical. 

Corey

On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted.  I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red. 

Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car.  The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants.  Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment.

Todd Sullivan

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Only if it is a wooden roof walk... metal roof walks match the roof color.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


On Jan 1, 2020, at 3:12 PM, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Todd Sullivan
 

And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted.  I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red. 

Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car.  The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants.  Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment.

Todd Sullivan

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

bill woelfel
 

Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Nelson Moyer
 

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Greg Martin
 

Brian,  

TESTORS Flat Grapefruit in the 1/4oz. bottles.  I gat mine at Michaels Arts and Craft. It is a rather new color.  It may be a bit light, but very close.

Greg Martin 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 1/1/20 12:14 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group & Brian!

My best choice for the ERIE's FCR was the Floquil FCR for the ATSF.  I have never compared it with Vallejo or Tamiya but perhaps that color would provide you a basis to choose.

Not to go tangential here but, in my experience, Intermountain never got this right on their ERIE boxcars.  Branchline did it better and perhaps is another comparison you might make.

Regards --- Mike Schleigh from Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 03:14:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY