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Steel Boxcar Paint Cycles -- Good and Bad
Bob Chapman
In looking at photos as a guide for weathering, it seems that some roads' steel boxcars tended to look nice, while others tended to look grubby. I'm not talking about routine weathering from road grime and the elements -- I'm thinking more about how often the cars were cycled through the paint shop. For example, from an admittedly small sample of non-builder photos, SR's cars often tended to look relatively fresh in the 50s, suggesting that they were repainted more often. Thus on a recent SR boxcar project, I went with relatively light weathering.
I'm sure there's insight in the group on this. Are there some roads whose steel boxcars often tended to look fresh, and other roads whose cars more frequently looked in need of repaint?
Thanks,
Bob Chapman
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Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI
Jon Miller
On 1/2/2020 10:27 AM, Dan Smith
wrote:
Good question, we already have excellent
Dalman 2 level! Not sure if enough are available to save Randy
some tooling costs! -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI
Hello Randy,
In your earlier post, you mentioned Dalman One-Level trucks and stated they have never been offered in HO before. A big hole, of many. Will you be offering these trucks? Hoping, Dan Smith
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Kits/Cars for Sale
Tom Lawler
Hi,
New Years and time to thin the herd a bit. I have 8 Westerfield, 7 Sunshine, 5 F&C, 3 Intermountain R-40-23, 2 Speedwitch and 1 NEB&W kits/cars for sale. All Steam era cars. Email me if interested, not the list! I will respond to emails to me with a spreadsheet of items available. Tom
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
WILLIAM PARDIE
Nice job on this early Westerfield car. I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage. I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit. One note. The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal. Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part. Bull Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help
My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it.
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye.
Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied -
Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI
Randy Hammill
Now that you mention it...
https://www.prototypejunction.com/2019/12/project-1-atsf-bx-11-12-and-13-rebuilds.html The next post will also be later today with some more options. We'll be posting all of the details about how to order the cars, etc. and answering all of your questions when we launch at Cocoa Beach next week Stay tuned! Randy — Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Thanks, guys. Maybe I really should reread my copy of the Societies’s Boxcar book.
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Bill Daniels Santa Rosa, California
On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:33 PM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Marty McGuirk
My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it.
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye.
Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied -
Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: Tahoe Model Works
David North
Hi Brian, Thanks mate. I’ll try again to email you. Cheers Dave North
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
John Barry
Bill, I respectfully disagree, Santa Fe steel running boards remained unpainted galvanized when applied new. They were only painted to match the roof in a repaint. Had the running boards been wood, you would be correct that they should be Mineral Brown. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 06:12:14 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:
Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body. Bill W
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Re: Tahoe Model Works
brianleppert@att.net
Tahoe Model Works e-mail is brianleppert at att dot net (change the "at" for "@" and the "dot" for "."
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Tahoe Model Works
David North
Hi, Does anyone have Brian’s business email address, please? Cheers Dave North
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Never say never. Some Santa Fe metal running boards were left galvanized
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George Hollwedel
On Jan 1, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Corey Fischer
I agree, The idea that a paint needs to be exactly “Erie Brown” is ridiculous for an in-service and slightly weathered car. Paint fades and weathers differently. Plenty of examples of this can be found even with the more stable paints of today. Just mix whatever paints you have on stock to get close to that color it. You want different shades of paint on cars from the same road, its more prototypical. Corey
On Jan 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Only if it is a wooden roof walk... metal roof walks match the roof color.
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Bill Daniels Santa Rosa, California
On Jan 1, 2020, at 3:12 PM, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Todd Sullivan
And just to add to the discussion, most of the ERIE boxcars I saw during 5+ years of prowling about the E-L Port Jervis Yard were a lot browner than the photo posted. I suspect the slide in the photo was Kodachrome which shifted colors toward red.
Another thought: this only really matters if you are modeling a new or recently repainted car. The Northeast was a dirty place in the 1940s and 1950s with lots of steam locos and coal-fired factories and power plants. Cars darkened pretty quickly in that environment. Todd Sullivan
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Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint
bill woelfel
Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body. Bill W
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Nelson Moyer
Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help
And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Greg Martin
Brian, TESTORS Flat Grapefruit in the 1/4oz. bottles. I gat mine at Michaels Arts and Craft. It is a rather new color. It may be a bit light, but very close. Greg Martin Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...> Date: 1/1/20 12:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
-- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: Erie Boxcar red help
Schleigh Mike
Hello Group & Brian! My best choice for the ERIE's FCR was the Floquil FCR for the ATSF. I have never compared it with Vallejo or Tamiya but perhaps that color would provide you a basis to choose. Not to go tangential here but, in my experience, Intermountain never got this right on their ERIE boxcars. Branchline did it better and perhaps is another comparison you might make. Regards --- Mike Schleigh from Grove City, Penna.
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 03:14:28 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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