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Re: Bucyrus RB17 Crane Loaded on a Flat Car Photos

Bill Welch
 

wow, thank you Tim!!!

Bill Welch


Re: Bucyrus RB17 Crane Loaded on a Flat Car Photos

Tim O'Connor
 

On 1/3/2020 8:45 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
I am curious if anyone knows of photos of a Bucyrus crane loaded on a flat car? There is a very nice kit available. Thank you.

Bill Welch

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Marty McGuirk
 

The ongoing saga of this car continues! 
Thanks for the tip on the Westerfield wider ladders - will have to check them out.
This is actually the second of these kits I’ve built.
Its predecessor was one of the first resin cars I’d built - made out of the old dark resin.
I built it in the stateroom on an LST. 
Made the mistake of test fitting the trucks and went on watch - came back to two trucks rolling around on the deck still attached to the remains of the bolsters - and what seemed like hundreds of little resin fragments.
Marty McGuirk 


On Jan 2, 2020, at 1:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


Nice job on this early Westerfield car.  I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage.  I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit.  One note.  The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal.  Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part.

Bull Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 


Bucyrus RB17 Crane Loaded on a Flat Car Photos

Bill Welch
 

I am curious if anyone knows of photos of a Bucyrus crane loaded on a flat car? There is a very nice kit available. Thank you.

Bill Welch


Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

John Barry
 

Bill,

It depends, maybe, maybe not.  If your car is in original paint, metal running boards should be galvanized.  If they represent a repaint, it should match the roof, non-skid black prior to 51, mineral brown after.  For Lester's car, if he were to depict it in the "Ship & Travel" scheme with a 1950 reweigh date, that would be a post 47-pre 51 re-paint from the as delivered and should have a black roof and running board.  

(I love that great adult undergarment answer! :-)

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 10:23:21 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


I never saw that in the boxcar or Furn. car book, but once I looked at the ATSF model painting guide by Richard Hendrickson , there it was. None of this is to denigrate Lester's work. Looks like I have a few cars w/metal RB's to repaint. Bill W


Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

bill woelfel
 

I never saw that in the boxcar or Furn. car book, but once I looked at the ATSF model painting guide by Richard Hendrickson , there it was. None of this is to denigrate Lester's work. Looks like I have a few cars w/metal RB's to repaint. Bill W


Train horn music

Steve SANDIFER
 

Not Steam, but could not resist.  Pachelbel Canon is on track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=cD3QlR98--A&feature=emb_logo

You could even lift the music to play at your daughter’s wedding. J

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a Rs

al_brown03
 

Years ago I took a pair of "Kitbits" Dalman two-levels, and added styrene strips as journal-box retainers … I think they're on my first Seaboard B-5. Was Andy's method anything like that?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a Rs

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The Dalman/Andrew's in the photo represents yet another Andrew's variation.  Andy Carlson instructed me on doing these from a Tahoe truck at the bar in Lysle.  He h as d just sold me a GN kit.
Now if I could just find that cocktail napkin.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 1/2/20 12:36 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI


I think the 2-level DALMAN-ANDREWS sideframes would be much more useful and distinctive.
But that's just me. :-)

The enclosed picture of one was posted by Jack Burgess. These were widely used by Great Northern
and lasted into the late 1960's if not later.

Tim O'



On 1/2/2020 1:41 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

On 1/2/2020 10:27 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Will you be offering these trucks?

    Good question, we already have excellent Dalman 2 level!  Not sure if enough are available to save Randy some tooling costs!

-- 
Jon Miller


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Randy Hammill
 

Hi, Dan - 

Yes, the Dalman One-Level trucks will be available separately. I don't think Ted Culotta would talk to me anymore if we didn't make them available.

For the Dalman Two-Level trucks, we have a few options we're considering.

At True Line, we looked into getting the Dalman Two-Level trucks from Tahoe for the CP Minibox. That didn't pan out at the time, so we tooled our own and I have access to that tooling. But we need both variations Tahoe has available, and personally I'd like to give the business to Tahoe if that works out. But we haven't gotten to that point and haven't reached out yet.

But any trucks we produce for these models will be available as separate parts.

As for the Dalman-Andrews trucks that Tim suggests? We thought we were going with a different prototype for our initial project, and those are required for that project. Not sure if that will be the second project, but maybe we can squeeze an extra truck into the tooling earlier...Hmmm.

I'm just finishing up the last teaser page of models that we are producing for this project and that will post tonight. And the full details of the project will be up next week in time for Cocoa Beach

Randy

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

al_brown03
 

Dalman-Andrews trucks were also used by Seaboard (one class of boxcars, albeit a large class) and Soo Line (several classes of assorted cars).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the 2-level DALMAN-ANDREWS sideframes would be much more useful and distinctive.
But that's just me. :-)

The enclosed picture of one was posted by Jack Burgess. These were widely used by Great Northern
and lasted into the late 1960's if not later.

Tim O'



On 1/2/2020 1:41 PM, Jon Miller wrote:
On 1/2/2020 10:27 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Will you be offering these trucks?

    Good question, we already have excellent Dalman 2 level!  Not sure if enough are available to save Randy some tooling costs!

-- 
Jon Miller


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Steel Boxcar Paint Cycles -- Good and Bad

Bob Chapman
 

In looking at photos as a guide for weathering, it seems that some roads' steel boxcars tended to look nice, while others tended to look grubby. I'm not talking about routine weathering from road grime and the elements -- I'm thinking more about how often the cars were cycled through the paint shop. For example, from an admittedly small sample of non-builder photos, SR's cars often tended to look relatively fresh in the 50s, suggesting that they were repainted more often. Thus on a recent SR boxcar project, I went with relatively light weathering. 

I'm sure there's insight in the group on this. Are there some roads whose steel boxcars often tended to look fresh, and other roads whose cars more frequently looked in need of repaint?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman   




Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/2/2020 10:27 AM, Dan Smith wrote:

Will you be offering these trucks?

    Good question, we already have excellent Dalman 2 level!  Not sure if enough are available to save Randy some tooling costs!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

 

Hello Randy,

In your earlier post, you mentioned Dalman One-Level trucks and stated they have never been offered in HO before. A big hole, of many.

Will you be offering these trucks?

Hoping,
Dan Smith


Kits/Cars for Sale

Tom Lawler
 

Hi,

New Years and time to thin the herd a bit. I have 8 Westerfield, 7 Sunshine, 5 F&C, 3 Intermountain R-40-23, 2 Speedwitch and 1 NEB&W kits/cars for sale. All Steam era cars. Email me if interested, not the list! I will respond to emails to me with a spreadsheet of items available.

Tom


Re: Erie Boxcar red help

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nice job on this early Westerfield car.  I did this car when it first came out but that car has suffered some damage.  I have decals for a later period and have obtained another kit.  One note.  The ladders on this and several other MP cars were wider than normal.  Westerfield now has the proper ladders as a separate part.

Bull Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Date: 1/2/20 3:09 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk
On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 


Re: New Manufacturer Prototype Junction announces 1st Project AT&SF Bx-11,12,13 and a RI

Randy Hammill
 

Now that you mention it...

https://www.prototypejunction.com/2019/12/project-1-atsf-bx-11-12-and-13-rebuilds.html

The next post will also be later today with some more options.

We'll be posting all of the details about how to order the cars, etc. and answering all of your questions when we launch at Cocoa Beach next week

Stay tuned!

Randy


Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com


Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 Roof Repaint

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Thanks, guys. Maybe I really should reread my copy of the Societies’s Boxcar book.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California 


On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:33 PM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


Bill,

I respectfully disagree, Santa Fe steel running boards remained unpainted galvanized when applied new.  They were only painted to match the roof in a repaint.  Had the running boards been wood, you would be correct that they should be Mineral Brown.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 06:12:14 PM EST, bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...> wrote:


Not to rain on Leater's parade but the running board should be Mineral Brown, like the car body.   Bill W


Re: Erie Boxcar red help

Marty McGuirk
 

My go-to color for a basic freight car red has become Vallejo "Rust" - which for a while was sold by Micro-Mark as "Boxcar Red." I'll usually tint it one way or the other with either a crimson red or a earth/flesh tone depending on if I want to lighten and/or darken it. 
It's considerably less brown and a much warmer color than the old Floquil/Polly Scale BCR, which always seemed a little bluish/purple to my eye. 

Here's a car painted with straight Vallejo Rust prior to a flat coat being applied - 


Marty McGuirk

On January 1, 2020 at 5:05 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Or buy a bottle of Tru Color Erie Freight Car Brown, which is matched to color chips and is more brown than the red in the photo.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar red help

 

And the printed colour charts from Vallejo are of little help as well, as I've discovered
Best thing to do is take the photo to the shop and peruse the options

Pierre Oliver
    
www.elgincarshops.com
    
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
    

On 1/01/20 3:14 p.m., Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:

My only local hobby shop caters more to the plastic kit (airplanes, cars etc) modelers than Model RR but they are good for things like paint. I am going to be painting an Erie Boxcar in the near future and they have Vallejo and Tamiya paints. Does anyone have a color in either line that would be close to the color of the attached photo? I’ve learned the color name on the label means nothing. Heck Lester B used Vallejo Model Color Red Leather to model PRR FCC and it looks good.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 



 

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