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Re: Shipping Fish

Doug Paasch
 

I found this tidbit on the internet about shipping frozen fish.

  https://spo.nmfs.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/legacy-pdfs/leaflet431.pdf

 

I, too, would be interested in the shipping of non-frozen dead fish in refrigerator cars.  I want to include shipments of freshly caught (dead) Salmon from Seattle fish docks on the GN using icing from the WFE ice dock at Interbay.  Did GN have any of its own reefers (ie, GN reporting mark) or did they only use WFEX/BREX/FGEX pool cars for reefer shipments of all kinds?  And for fish, were they limited to using only WFEX reefers since they owned them by subsidiary?  That is, were they prohibited from using BREX or FGEX reefers for fish?

 

Thanks,

    Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 10:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Fish

 

OK, let me better define what I am asking about. I am asking about dead fish, either on ice or frozen.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Shipping Fish

Brian Termunde
 

I'd be interested in knowing about this, but in particular, oysters.

The area I model was (and still is) known for it's oysters. Willapa Harbor, Wash.

TIA!

 

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

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Shipping Fish
From: Bob Chaparro
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 12:31:07 PST

 

Shipping Fish

Where there any rules restricting refrigerator cars to fresh fish loads once they had been used to ship fresh fish?

Or did this depend on how the fist were packaged?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

HemetCA


Re: One-Piece Cast Resin Box Car Bodies

william darnaby
 

As a final…or,maybe not…comment on one piece bodies, I have not found them to be a great time saver over flat kits because of issues that I run across.  Your mileage may vary but I have found that it takes time to clean up the bottom edges of the castings as there are lumps and bumps of resin.  I think some of these are vents or risers from the casting process.  I have had to do repair to these areas to get a clean and straight bottom sill on the sides and ends.  One car I assembled this summer had the corner of the sill so badly damaged I had to create a new corner with modelling putty.

 

Another issue is the shelf inside the body being uneven or not deep enough to allow the floor to sit down inside far enough to allow the crossmembers to sit behind the sill tabs.  It sometimes takes a fair amount of scraping with a square edged modelling knife to clean up that shelf.

 

Then there is the issue of warpage.  I have had to install pieces of quarter inch square styrene across the interior of the casting so the sides do not noticeably bow in.

 

Such is the resin world.  And, as I said, YMMV.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rossiter, Mark W
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 5:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] One-Piece Cast Resin Box Car Bodies

 

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry, on list and off.  Sounds like it is nothing to be concerned about. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 


Re: One-Piece Cast Resin Box Car Bodies

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry, on list and off.  Sounds like it is nothing to be concerned about. 

 

Mark Rossiter

 


Re: Shipping Fish

np328
 

   I have written about this before.  
      While researching for refrigerator cars of the NP, I found a letter admonished a subordinate on his use of a class of refrigerator cars stating that - refrigerator cars, once used for fish, are unfit for anything other commodity. Fish service is where refrigerator cars go to die. I could try to dig it out if you really wanted to see it. Could take a bit of time as CCB is on the doorstep. This letter or telegram was prior to flash freezing of fish, so I think it would be fish on ice. (1920s - 1930s +/-)  
      I never found anything later in the 50's (in paperwork) that specified certain classes of cars to fish service. This in spite of there were numerous fish processing plants in WA state that shipped NP.  I have often wondered about the steel reefers. Would 40 tons of frozen fish sticks contaminate them? 
      I am mildly allergic to eating fish, so I tend to stay clear of fish that has been processed as an edible, (even in the frozen food section).                  Jim Dick - St. Paul 


Re: Shipping Fish

Bob Chaparro
 

OK, let me better define what I am asking about. I am asking about dead fish, either on ice or frozen.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: tank car assigned to American Extract Co, Port Allegany PA

Dave Boss
 

I would agree with you on the photo of the car, as I'm working on one of these tank cars right now. I'm using a builder photo but the reporting marks changed by the 1950's 

Dave

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
In the background, we see a partial view of a tank car assigned to American Extract Co, Port Allegany PA.
 
 
 
 
Wish we could see more of the tank car!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

Douglas Harding
 

Looks to be a load of used bedding from stockcars, ie manure and straw. The car is a drop bottom gon.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Bunn
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 8:00 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

 

Grapes?

 

On Fri., Jan. 3, 2020, 19:46 gary laakso, <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The way that it drapes over the side of the car suggests a plant with strong branches:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Salt-Lake-City/i-RvgFS9p/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: For Sale NEW L&N Shippers Guide

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

... And then, Brian, maybe not. I can make out the lettering on the end as “PAINT ALT. M 5 53”. Now, that looks like a paint date to me of May 1953. Any suggestion?

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California


Re: Can anyone tell me anything about the "Safcar" running board and step?

Guy Wilber
 

Jack wrote:

“The correct name is "Safkar", made by the Irving Iron Works Co., Long Island City, NY. The open grid is formed by alternating straight and zigzag bars, all running longitudinally, riveted together, forming a distinctive pattern of trapezoidal openings.

Page in the '28 CBCyc shows use as passenger car step treads, mentioned being in use for 8 years. In the '31 Loco Cyc, they're shown as loco running boards and steps. Not found in the '40 CBCyc.”

Jack,

Irving Type AA Grating running boards were among the first approved by The AAR’s Committee on Safety Appliances when specifications for running boards other than wood (via Interchange Rule 3) took effect on January 1, 1944.

The ICC permitted the limited use of “experimental” running boards as early as 1932. The “Safkar” design may have been different than The Type AA Grating due to the specifications adopted in 1944.

By 1952 in addition to The Irving Type AA, another approved running board was listed as, The Irving Subway Grating Company’s Grating, R-BC. These were both applicable to house cars as well as covered hoppers. The Irving Subway Grating Company’s Grating, R-TC was listed for tank car running boards, dome steps and dome platforms.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Shipping Fish

Drew Bunn
 

"Fresh fish" are a perishable, whereas "live fish" would be considered livestock. They need to be treated differently.  

CN ran fish in overnight passenger trains between Halifax and Boston utilizing Express Reefers with high speed trucks and steam lines. 

But I think fish are rarely shipped live.

On Fri., Jan. 3, 2020, 20:21 Ted Schnepf, <railsunl@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

Fresh fish to me means, live fish shipped in aeration tanks, in baggage cars for the kosher trade.

For a refrigerator load, I assume you mean processed fish.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:31:19 PM CST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


Shipping Fish

Where there any rules restricting refrigerator cars to fresh fish loads once they had been used to ship fresh fish?

Or did this depend on how the fist were packaged?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

Robert kirkham
 

Question/guess: Could it be sheep’s wool -i.e. the bits from a packing plant?  They used to send carcasses and offal in gons so  . . .

 

I find the half-track at this link pretty cool too! https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Salt-Lake-City/i-VSqDg9t/A

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Drew Bunn
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 6:00 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

 

Grapes?

 

On Fri., Jan. 3, 2020, 19:46 gary laakso, <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The way that it drapes over the side of the car suggests a plant with strong branches:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Salt-Lake-City/i-RvgFS9p/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: another crane shot

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Obviously a work train, probably unloading rail sections.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


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From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jan 3, 2020 10:56 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] another crane shot

Bill;

Here's another:


Elden Gatwood



Re: What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

Drew Bunn
 

Grapes?


On Fri., Jan. 3, 2020, 19:46 gary laakso, <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The way that it drapes over the side of the car suggests a plant with strong branches:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Salt-Lake-City/i-RvgFS9p/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: For Sale NEW L&N Shippers Guide

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Just picked these new shippers guides from the printer yesterday.  This is my first guide covering part of the southeastern US.

It covers the Louisville and Nashville RR, all the way from Illinois and Ohio to Florida and Louisiana, and all states in between.  There are only two dates in the book, with the L&N map being dated 1939, so am guessing a per war publication date of 1940. The book has 163 pages, with a comb binding, so it opens flat for easy use.

The book is produced by Reynolds & Reynolds (printing) of Dayton, Oh.  They have published several other books I sell, such as, UP, CNW, RI, and Milwaukee.  The industries are listed by type, and then by state and town in alphabetical order.  This L&N book seems to be more elaborate with a larger forward section, explaining industries along the L&N.  There is also 6 pages listing LCL routes.

The book sells for $34.95. plus $5.00 shipping if needed.  It is not on my website yet.  Contact me off list to order any of the shippers guides.  there are now twenty one titles.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353




Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525 gets galvanized running boards

bigfourroad
 

Lester
Great job on this "redo" and I must say a bit intrepid to highlight the grating or expanded metal parts.
BTW the useful tips on beauty swabs and the article right below this on on your blog will be much appreciated when it (finally) comes time to build that Smokey Mountain Model Works CB&Q flatcar in S Scale. 
Chris Rooney


Re: Shipping Fish

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

Fresh fish to me means, live fish shipped in aeration tanks, in baggage cars for the kosher trade.

For a refrigerator load, I assume you mean processed fish.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:31:19 PM CST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Shipping Fish

Where there any rules restricting refrigerator cars to fresh fish loads once they had been used to ship fresh fish?

Or did this depend on how the fist were packaged?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


What type of vegetation is traveling on the DRGW?

gary laakso
 

The way that it drapes over the side of the car suggests a plant with strong branches:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Salt-Lake-City/i-RvgFS9p/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Can anyone tell me anything about the "Safcar" running board and step?

Brian Carlson
 

Much earlier since it’s a builders photo of a 1940 built X38. Great pic!!

Brian J. Carlson

On Jan 3, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice photo... is there one of the side of the car? And my attention was drawn to the two tenders (from class L1s?) in the background. Makes me think that this photo was taken in the early (pre SK) 1950’s.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California



Can anyone tell me anything about the "Safcar" running board and step?

Andy Carlson
 

My now gone friend Jack Parker, who lived and breathed the Northern Pacific RR, detailed an O scale A5 NP brass Northern 4-8-4 back in the 1990s. He made the boiler running boards as exact as can be using the described method of straight and bent bars. It sure was spoiling for me to view that level of detail; it would be much harder of a challenge to execute a board this well in smaller scales. His son Jeff has this 1st place contest winner on display in the corridor leading to the NP HO scale railroad which Jack built 20 + years ago. Go look for it the next time you are there!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, January 3, 2020, 3:58:01 PM PST, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


Yes.
The correct name is "Safkar", made by the Irving Iron Works Co., Long Island City, NY. The open grid is formed by alternating straight and zigzag bars, all running longitudinally, riveted together, forming a distinctive pattern of trapezoidal openings. 
Page in the '28 CBCyc shows use as passenger car step treads, mentioned being in use for 8 years. In the '31 Loco Cyc, they're shown as loco running boards and steps. Not found in the '40 CBCyc.
I've wondered about their possible use on freight cars, but don't recall ever seeing anything in print. I have a vague notion that I've seen something of the sort in the real world, long ago. So this photo is a cool find.

I'll try to post an image later.

Jack Mullen

14601 - 14620 of 183678