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Re: 3-3-3 ends

Tim O'Connor
 



Ladders. I think so... can't find the kit right now.


On 1/7/2020 9:03 AM, Greg Martin via Groups.Io wrote:
Were the details molded on?

Greg Martin 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 1/7/20 5:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 3-3-3 ends


Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that
came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits?

Tim O'Connor

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On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 

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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830

One comment says the crane is a Browning .

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help

 

Friends,

 

Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

 

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Gondola identification

Tim O'Connor
 


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars.  Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.

I want to ID a mill type gon.  Its inside  length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes.  The fixed ends are dreadnought.  The car is riveted construction.

I started by looking at PRR books, but no match  (a G31D might be close).  Mr Kresse's  book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling.  Thought about a USRA  mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.

In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. 

Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I believe all Burro cranes only have two axles.  this crane has 4 axles. A guess would be Industrial Brownhoist.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 07:50:08 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




Looks like a BURRO crane



Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

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Re: 3-3-3 ends

Greg Martin
 

Were the details molded on?

Greg Martin 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 1/7/20 5:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 3-3-3 ends


Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that
came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits?

Tim O'Connor

======================================

On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 

Attachments:



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Tim O'Connor
 


Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that
came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits?

Tim O'Connor

======================================

On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Crane ID Help

Tim O'Connor
 



Looks like a BURRO crane



Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.


Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

Attachments:

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Crane ID Help

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.

Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Gondola identification

mel perry
 

a picture would be nice, so we would
know what you are talking about?
thanks 
mel perry

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 6:40 PM Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
Hi Ron,

I looked in Thompson's SP book and did not see a match.  The model does not have any drop doors.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Monday, January 6, 2020, 07:14:40 PM CST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


Do you have a picture, or some other way we can see what you're describing?  As a total shot in the dark, there was a class of SP gons at about 48' that I think were straight sides.  I built a model of one, perhaps from Speedwitch, but both the model and my SP books are packed so I can't be more specific.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola identification

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Ron,

I looked in Thompson's SP book and did not see a match.  The model does not have any drop doors.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Monday, January 6, 2020, 07:14:40 PM CST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


Do you have a picture, or some other way we can see what you're describing?  As a total shot in the dark, there was a class of SP gons at about 48' that I think were straight sides.  I built a model of one, perhaps from Speedwitch, but both the model and my SP books are packed so I can't be more specific.

Ron Merrick


Re: Gondola identification

mopacfirst
 

Do you have a picture, or some other way we can see what you're describing?  As a total shot in the dark, there was a class of SP gons at about 48' that I think were straight sides.  I built a model of one, perhaps from Speedwitch, but both the model and my SP books are packed so I can't be more specific.

Ron Merrick


Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 01:10 PM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
I thought that was odd too; to suggest the first consignee would re-position the load.  What I have seen in other sources were bulkheads made from dunnage to separate the parts of the loads and keep them from shifting when the first were removed.
Although, since the first consignee had to call the local agent to apply new car seals, the railroad did have some leverage... don't re-stack or block the load, and we won't seal the car, leaving consignee No. 1 responsible. In reality, it was the shipper's responsibility to properly block/ bulkhead the load; this seems to indicate that the ERIE was having problems with this, and was trying to push it off on the consignees.

Dennis Storzek


Gondola identification

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars.  Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.

I want to ID a mill type gon.  Its inside  length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes.  The fixed ends are dreadnought.  The car is riveted construction.

I started by looking at PRR books, but no match  (a G31D might be close).  Mr Kresse's  book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling.  Thought about a USRA  mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.

In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. 

Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

 

Bruce,

I thought that was odd too; to suggest the first consignee would re-position the load.  What I have seen in other sources were bulkheads made from dunnage to separate the parts of the loads and keep them from shifting when the first were removed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Yeah, my immediate response was to laugh. The ERIE wanted the CONSIGNEE to shift the remaining load in the car at their own time and expense, so ERIE wouldn’t get freight claims? As a consignee, my response would be to call the ERIE agent and tell him to get his butt, and his crew, over to fix the load in the car himself. I wonder how many folks actually did as asked.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jan 6, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

Perhaps the best comment is that it's applied common sense!
A lot of people who loaded / unloaded freight in rail cars or tractor trailers in the past cared little about how it was done without specific instructions.
If nothing is said, its piled in the door slammed shut and off it goes.
This was sometimes so with lcl cars.
While they were usually loaded with care at a terminal facility, it was in unloading shipments at various receivers along the way that problems could arise.
Receivers cared about their stuff on arrival.
But not much concern for other shippers' goods in the same car if it had to move on to another delivery point.
Re-organizing a load like that takes man power and time.
Both are expensive.
Erie is trying to appeal to a receiver's better side, to help avoid damaged freight claims.

Ed Bommer


Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

Edward
 

Perhaps the best comment is that it's applied common sense!
A lot of people who loaded / unloaded freight in rail cars or tractor trailers in the past cared little about how it was done without specific instructions.
If nothing is said, its piled in the door slammed shut and off it goes.
This was sometimes so with lcl cars.
While they were usually loaded with care at a terminal facility, it was in unloading shipments at various receivers along the way that problems could arise.
Receivers cared about their stuff on arrival.
But not much concern for other shippers' goods in the same car if it had to move on to another delivery point.
Re-organizing a load like that takes man power and time.
Both are expensive.
Erie is trying to appeal to a receiver's better side, to help avoid damaged freight claims.

Ed Bommer


Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars

Any comments on this?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 01:06 AM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
Hi Tom,
Would you tell us how wide the West Rail casting is? Surprised to see the tack board seems to be cast in place.
Staffan -

Well, they are 30+ years old. Richard was even using a dot matrix printer for his labels.

The attached photo shows the dimensions and a comparison to ends from an InterMountain 10' 6" IH boxcar. They're pretty close to interchangeable if you remove the rivet strip at the top of the West Rail ends.

Richard made his parts to fit Athearn blue box car bodies. The material is filled polyester, the same as Al's early kits but Richard chose a red colorant rather than gray. That's a "fast" casting resin, cures quickly and generates a lot of heat. You can cast a lot of parts in a hurry, but if you don't let the mold cool off between pours it will heat up and expand and the parts will get larger and larger as you go. It's a high shrinkage resin as well just from the coefficient of expansion effect - solidify at a high temp, cool down to room temp. Really high shrink resins can even pull away from the face of the mold as they cure and the castings either have a dappled appearance (some areas still in contact with the mold at final cure and some not), or be really glossy (entire face of the casting loses contact with the mold so the casting has none of the mold's surface texture). We may be seeing some of that here. In any event, if Greg wants to reintroduce any of these castings the place to start is with the original masters, not these dimensionally variable castings.

Tom Madden


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Hi Tom,
Would you tell us how wide the West Rail casting is? Surprised to see the tack board seems to be cast in place.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:43 AM Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
All,
 
In my collection I have a mold/master that Richard Hendrickson had made of a 3-3-3 end for West Rails. I will dig it out and see the spec's on it, but it will have to be after Cocoa Beach.
 
 
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice.

Tom Madden
 


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