Re: Crane ID Help
Ted Schnepf
Hello, I believe all Burro cranes only have two axles. this crane has 4 axles. A guess would be Industrial Brownhoist. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 07:50:08 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Looks like a BURRO crane Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Greg Martin
Were the details molded on? Greg Martin Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> Date: 1/7/20 5:54 AM (GMT-08:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 3-3-3 ends Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits? Tim O'Connor ====================================== On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote: -- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Speaking of 3-3-3 ends, what do folks think of the 3-3-3 separate end part that came with the WALTHERS 50 foot single sheathed box car kits? Tim O'Connor ======================================
On 1/5/2020 6:43 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Crane ID Help
Looks like a BURRO crane Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Crane ID Help
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era. Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!). Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: Gondola identification
mel perry
a picture would be nice, so we would know what you are talking about? thanks mel perry
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 6:40 PM Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
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Re: Gondola identification
Ted Schnepf
Hi Ron, I looked in Thompson's SP book and did not see a match. The model does not have any drop doors. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
On Monday, January 6, 2020, 07:14:40 PM CST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Do you have a picture, or some other way we can see what you're describing? As a total shot in the dark, there was a class of SP gons at about 48' that I think were straight sides. I built a model of one, perhaps from Speedwitch, but both the model and my SP books are packed so I can't be more specific. Ron Merrick
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Re: Gondola identification
mopacfirst
Do you have a picture, or some other way we can see what you're describing? As a total shot in the dark, there was a class of SP gons at about 48' that I think were straight sides. I built a model of one, perhaps from Speedwitch, but both the model and my SP books are packed so I can't be more specific.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 01:10 PM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
I thought that was odd too; to suggest the first consignee would re-position the load. What I have seen in other sources were bulkheads made from dunnage to separate the parts of the loads and keep them from shifting when the first were removed.Although, since the first consignee had to call the local agent to apply new car seals, the railroad did have some leverage... don't re-stack or block the load, and we won't seal the car, leaving consignee No. 1 responsible. In reality, it was the shipper's responsibility to properly block/ bulkhead the load; this seems to indicate that the ERIE was having problems with this, and was trying to push it off on the consignees. Dennis Storzek
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Gondola identification
Ted Schnepf
Hello Everyone, Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations. I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction. I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match. In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola? Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
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Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars
Bruce,
I thought that was odd too; to suggest the first consignee would re-position the load. What I have seen in other sources were bulkheads made from dunnage to separate the parts of the loads and keep them from shifting when the first were removed. Regards, Mike Aufderheide
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Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars
Yeah, my immediate response was to laugh. The ERIE wanted the CONSIGNEE to shift the remaining load in the car at their own time and expense, so ERIE wouldn’t get freight claims? As a consignee, my response would be to call the ERIE agent and tell him to get his butt, and his crew, over to fix the load in the car himself. I wonder how many folks actually did as asked.
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Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars
Perhaps the best comment is that it's applied common sense!
A lot of people who loaded / unloaded freight in rail cars or tractor trailers in the past cared little about how it was done without specific instructions. If nothing is said, its piled in the door slammed shut and off it goes. This was sometimes so with lcl cars. While they were usually loaded with care at a terminal facility, it was in unloading shipments at various receivers along the way that problems could arise. Receivers cared about their stuff on arrival. But not much concern for other shippers' goods in the same car if it had to move on to another delivery point. Re-organizing a load like that takes man power and time. Both are expensive. Erie is trying to appeal to a receiver's better side, to help avoid damaged freight claims. Ed Bommer
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Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars
Erie RR Notice On Stop-Off Cars Any comments on this? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Tom Madden
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 01:06 AM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
Staffan - Well, they are 30+ years old. Richard was even using a dot matrix printer for his labels. The attached photo shows the dimensions and a comparison to ends from an InterMountain 10' 6" IH boxcar. They're pretty close to interchangeable if you remove the rivet strip at the top of the West Rail ends. Richard made his parts to fit Athearn blue box car bodies. The material is filled polyester, the same as Al's early kits but Richard chose a red colorant rather than gray. That's a "fast" casting resin, cures quickly and generates a lot of heat. You can cast a lot of parts in a hurry, but if you don't let the mold cool off between pours it will heat up and expand and the parts will get larger and larger as you go. It's a high shrinkage resin as well just from the coefficient of expansion effect - solidify at a high temp, cool down to room temp. Really high shrink resins can even pull away from the face of the mold as they cure and the castings either have a dappled appearance (some areas still in contact with the mold at final cure and some not), or be really glossy (entire face of the casting loses contact with the mold so the casting has none of the mold's surface texture). We may be seeing some of that here. In any event, if Greg wants to reintroduce any of these castings the place to start is with the original masters, not these dimensionally variable castings. Tom Madden
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Staffan Ehnbom
Hi Tom, Would you tell us how wide the West Rail casting is? Surprised to see the tack board seems to be cast in place. Staffan Ehnbom
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:43 AM Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
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Offered: HO NP AAR Alternative std hoppers by Intermountain
Andy Carlson
Hello- I am offering for purchase 5 HO Intermountain RTR Northern Pacific black coal hoppers. IM #47152 47152-01 NP 70203; 47152-02 NP 70222; 47152-03 NP 70259; 47152-04 NP 70304; 47152-06 NP 70386. Purchase all 5 brand new, in never been removed from original boxes hopper cars for $120. Buyer to pay $14 for Priority USPS mail.Not sold individually, sold as one lot of 5 cars. Pictures are from IMRC's web site. My cars have not been removed from their original mint packaging. I accept checks and money orders. with a small fee, I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (Please) for details at <midcentury@...>Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Tom Madden
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 11:36 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
I have examples of many of Richard's WestRail parts. Here's the 3-3-3 end. It's pretty nice. Tom Madden
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Sunshine Kits wanted
Chuck Cover
Wanted Sunshine Kits:
37.9, 37.11 or 39.12 DL&W 4650 series DS 40’ Boxcar 37.10 LV 60000 series DS 40’ Boxcar 97.1, 97.2, 97.4 or 97.5 NC&SL XM-32 36’ steel rebuilt Boxcar 64.8 NKP 25000-25099 10’6” rebuilt Boxcar with end door 64.14 or 64.15 C&O 2000-2799 rebuilt Boxcar 96.9 D&RGW 65100-65199 steel DD automobile Boxcar
I have a list of 9 sunshine kits that I would be willing to trade for any of the above or if you have a kit that I listed above and want to sell it, please let me know. If youlet me know that you are interested, I will email you my list of extra kits for trade.
PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST.
Thanks
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194
Walter
There is also one located in Montrose, IA. I have been unable to find my pictures. From what I recall it’s in need of some paint and didn’t have a visible number. Lenny Ohrnell
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