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Re: PRR G25 "screw car"

Dave Parker
 

Tim:

They look like the PRR 70-ton "Crown" truck, kissing cousin to the USRA 70-t Andrews.  Consistent with the CAPY in the pic (and ORER).
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: PRR G25 "screw car"

Tim O'Connor
 

what kind of trucks are on that car?

On 1/9/2020 2:31 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Someone asked for a photo, and here is one:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13469?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=b6e76c81d9c5e6f02def&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=93&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=19

Elden Gatwood
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


and here's another PRR G25 screw car from above

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13470?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=920c3a4eb30134ce25cf&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=94&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

I looked at these closely when doing the research for the PRR gon book, and it was clear they had some major mods to make this work. The blades going through the floor made relocation of some of the brake equipment necessary.

Elden Gatwood


PRR X31B with staging for station wagon bodies

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


PRR G25 "screw car"

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


great old tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


Re: Tank Car handrail stantions

Peter Hall
 

I forgot to mention that plastic stanchions of nearly the same size and shape are available from Tichy on their 3007 tank car set.

Thanks
Pete

On Jan 9, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

If building a tank car what handrail stantions are available?   I see Precision Scale on eBay; however, do not know part number to purchase.  Do not see them listed in Precision Scale Co. Catalog No 5.  Are there others besides Precision Scale available?

Lester Breuer


Tank Car handrail stantions

Lester Breuer
 

If building a tank car what handrail stantions are available?   I see Precision Scale on eBay; however, do not know part number to purchase.  Do not see them listed in Precision Scale Co. Catalog No 5.  Are there others besides Precision Scale available?

Lester Breuer


SFRD reefers

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett. England


The Fall issue of The Keystone Modeler is available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


The Fall issue (#110) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS


Re: Crane ID Help

Charlie Vlk
 

All

The Cullen-Friestedt Company, while the corporate offices were located in Chicago, had its plant in the former Love Brothers casting and specialty machinery plant in Aurora, Illinois.  It was served by the “Alley Job” which was covered in the BRHS Burlington Bulletin No. 51.  In the article there is a picture of a Model 30 logo cast into the frame bed.

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Crane ID Help

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:56 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄
 
Ok, can do:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_wisconsin/15269835176
Actually I cheated a bit, since that's a post steam era Burro. Note the BURRO CRANE INC. identity, c. '70s-'80s. I just couldn't resist a C&NW one.

Lest you think the cast name is just a later development, how about this one, a fairly old Model 15, clearly from Cullen-Freistadt:

https://jamesmcgillis.com/upload/lg/15_Cullen_Friestedt_CNYCNRS_Burro_Model_15_lg.jpg

That site is worth a visit.   https://moablive.com/burrocrane/default.asp

One small correction, what were discussing isn't just a cast nameplate, the raised lettering is cast in the cast counterweight.

Jack Mullen


Re: Crane ID Help

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

John,

Yes, I considered that it might be a locally-built conversion. I think the crane was not self-powered, but it is hard to tell for sure from my photos. If it is a cludge, the underframe might be much older and originally had arch-bar or other early trucks, with the AAR trucks being changed during the conversion. Still, it does have a more modern brake wheel and stand, rather than an upright brake wheel and shaft. I wouldn't have expected that to change.

I've never heard of the Browning marque, though the cab styles are similar. The general cab design hints at WWII to early 1950s, in keeping with the military crane. The W&W crane has some vague lettering on the A-end of the sideframe which says "xxxx 52", but it is very hard to read, and might have nothing to do with its build date. The difference in the booms might have a lot to do with the crane's capacity and intended reach. Obviously a truck-mounted crane is likely to be a lighter machine that a railroad crane. Cranes were also sometimes re-boomed, or even had extra booms for different tasks.

It certainly IS NOT a Burro (at least the underframe isn't), though the cab does have some similarities. AFAIK, all Burro cranes had only four wheels (the largest were Models 40 and 50, and there are plenty of examples of these to compare with). All the Burro cranes I have seen that still had their marque, either had the name painted on, or it was on an enameled plate. I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄

Someday I will get back up to Gore to see if the crane is still there, and if so, ask permission to get close to it and also photograph the other side. I haven't been there for a number of years, and since they scrapped out their ALCOs the line has lost a lot of its appeal (one of their RS-11s was still working for the ADM elevator in Winchester just few years ago, but hard to photograph). Last week when I was in the Winchester area it was raining, so I dropped plans to drive over to Gore.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:38 AM mofwcaboose via Groups.Io <MOFWCABOOSE=AOL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
Still looking for a good picture of a crane definately identified as a Browning. The crane in the Flickr photo is a close but not exact match. The boom, in particular; note the large gusset at the lower end of the W&W crane boom, which is not present on the truck crane.

I have a suspicion  that the car under the W&W crane and the crane itself were once two seperate cranes. It could be that the original crane was a steam crane, probably purchased second-hand, and when it wore out, the crane was removed and this crane installed on the old frame. The resulting lash-up would not have been self propelled and have to be moved about by a locomotive.

John  C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help


What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it.



On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830
One comment says the crane is a Browning .
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help
 
Friends,
 
Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
 
Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob, Mel, and List Member,
 
I notice the paint on some of the vertical boards on the car side appear different from the rest - the boards that go through the letters LAC of LACKAWANNA on the car 12997 further from the camera. Are these boards that were replaced and repainted recently?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

and double doors, automobile carrier or
parts car?
mel perry

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 9:50 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

mel perry
 

and double doors, automobile carrier or
parts car?
mel perry

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 9:50 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997

Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Surplus Boxcar Program

Bob Chaparro
 

Surplus Boxcar Program

I was told by an old timer (he's two years older than me) that there was a government program after the First World War that enabled veterans who were farmers to purchase war surplus wooden box cars. The cost to the farmer was two dollars per car and the cars were delivered to each farm with no added cost.

I know the government assisted farmers with Butler Bins during the 1930s but I never heard about the boxcar program until now.

Does anyone know more about this?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Crane ID Help

mofwcaboose
 

Still looking for a good picture of a crane definately identified as a Browning. The crane in the Flickr photo is a close but not exact match. The boom, in particular; note the large gusset at the lower end of the W&W crane boom, which is not present on the truck crane.

I have a suspicion  that the car under the W&W crane and the crane itself were once two seperate cranes. It could be that the original crane was a steam crane, probably purchased second-hand, and when it wore out, the crane was removed and this crane installed on the old frame. The resulting lash-up would not have been self propelled and have to be moved about by a locomotive.

John  C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help


What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it.



On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a truck mounted crane with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830
One comment says the crane is a Browning .
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help
 
Friends,
 
Attached are three photos of an unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western. All three shots were outside their shops at Gore, Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past 2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our era.
 
Any thoughts on the builder and model. I've looked through my few books with crane photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ted;

My pleasure. How about looking at the G29?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Schnepf
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification

Hi Elden,

The general appearance is similar. The G34 seems to have tapering stakes, my car is straight stakes.

Thank you for writing the PRR gon book.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:18:54 PM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Gang;

The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car. That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet!

The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help. Does it look like these?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification


The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas.

A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description.



On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:


Hello Everyone,


Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations.


I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction.


I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match.


In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered.


Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?


Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120




847=697-5353


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 3-3-3 ends

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 06:03 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
Were the details molded on?
On the Walthers automobile car kit? Yes, tack boards also.

Dennis Storzek