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PRR G25 "screw car"
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Someone asked for a photo, and here is one:
https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_13469?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=b6e76c81d9c5e6f02def&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=93&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=19 Elden Gatwood
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great old tank car
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Re: Tank Car handrail stantions
Peter Hall
I forgot to mention that plastic stanchions of nearly the same size and shape are available from Tichy on their 3007 tank car set.
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Thanks Pete
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Tank Car handrail stantions
Lester Breuer
If building a tank car what handrail stantions are available? I see Precision Scale on eBay; however, do not know part number to purchase. Do not see them listed in Precision Scale Co. Catalog No 5. Are there others besides Precision Scale available?
Lester Breuer
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SFRD reefers
Paul Doggett
Hi
Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black. Paul Doggett. England
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The Fall issue of The Keystone Modeler is available
Folks,
The Fall issue (#110) of The Keystone Modeler is now available on the PRRT&HS web site at: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm
Bruce Bruce Smith, Assistant webmaster, PRRT&HS
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Re: Crane ID Help
Charlie Vlk
All The Cullen-Friestedt Company, while the corporate offices were located in Chicago, had its plant in the former Love Brothers casting and specialty machinery plant in Aurora, Illinois. It was served by the “Alley Job” which was covered in the BRHS Burlington Bulletin No. 51. In the article there is a picture of a Model 30 logo cast into the frame bed. Charlie Vlk
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Re: Crane ID Help
Jack Mullen
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:56 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄Ok, can do: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_wisconsin/15269835176 Actually I cheated a bit, since that's a post steam era Burro. Note the BURRO CRANE INC. identity, c. '70s-'80s. I just couldn't resist a C&NW one. Lest you think the cast name is just a later development, how about this one, a fairly old Model 15, clearly from Cullen-Freistadt: https://jamesmcgillis.com/upload/lg/15_Cullen_Friestedt_CNYCNRS_Burro_Model_15_lg.jpg That site is worth a visit. https://moablive.com/burrocrane/default.asp One small correction, what were discussing isn't just a cast nameplate, the raised lettering is cast in the cast counterweight. Jack Mullen
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Re: Crane ID Help
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
John, Yes, I considered that it might be a locally-built conversion. I think the crane was not self-powered, but it is hard to tell for sure from my photos. If it is a cludge, the underframe might be much older and originally had arch-bar or other early trucks, with the AAR trucks being changed during the conversion. Still, it does have a more modern brake wheel and stand, rather than an upright brake wheel and shaft. I wouldn't have expected that to change. I've never heard of the Browning marque, though the cab styles are similar. The general cab design hints at WWII to early 1950s, in keeping with the military crane. The W&W crane has some vague lettering on the A-end of the sideframe which says "xxxx 52", but it is very hard to read, and might have nothing to do with its build date. The difference in the booms might have a lot to do with the crane's capacity and intended reach. Obviously a truck-mounted crane is likely to be a lighter machine that a railroad crane. Cranes were also sometimes re-boomed, or even had extra booms for different tasks. It certainly IS NOT a Burro (at least the underframe isn't), though the cab does have some similarities. AFAIK, all Burro cranes had only four wheels (the largest were Models 40 and 50, and there are plenty of examples of these to compare with). All the Burro cranes I have seen that still had their marque, either had the name painted on, or it was on an enameled plate. I have never seen one with the name cast into a part of the frame on the cab rear, though I'm sure someone will immediately produce such an image. 🙄 Someday I will get back up to Gore to see if the crane is still there, and if so, ask permission to get close to it and also photograph the other side. I haven't been there for a number of years, and since they scrapped out their ALCOs the line has lost a lot of its appeal (one of their RS-11s was still working for the ADM elevator in Winchester just few years ago, but hard to photograph). Last week when I was in the Winchester area it was raining, so I dropped plans to drive over to Gore. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:38 AM mofwcaboose via Groups.Io <MOFWCABOOSE=AOL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Bob, Mel, and List Member,
I notice the paint on some of the vertical boards
on the car side appear different from the rest - the boards that go through the
letters LAC of LACKAWANNA on the car 12997 further from the camera. Are these
boards that were replaced and repainted recently?
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997
mel perry
and double doors, automobile carrier or parts car? mel perry
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 9:50 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997
Photo: Lackawanna Boxcar 12997 Double-door wood sheathed with steel ends: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-07-20/X7602.jpg Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Surplus Boxcar Program
Surplus Boxcar Program I was told by an old timer (he's two years older than me) that there was a government program after the First World War that enabled veterans who were farmers to purchase war surplus wooden box cars. The cost to the farmer was two dollars per car and the cars were delivered to each farm with no added cost. I know the government assisted farmers with Butler Bins during the 1930s but I never heard about the boxcar program until now. Does anyone know more about this? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Crane ID Help
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
Still looking for a good picture of a crane definately identified as a Browning. The crane in the Flickr photo is a close but not exact match. The boom, in particular; note the large gusset at the lower end of the W&W crane boom, which is not present on the truck crane.
I have a suspicion that the car under the W&W crane and the crane itself were once two seperate cranes. It could be that the original crane was a steam crane, probably purchased second-hand, and when it wore out, the crane was removed and this crane installed on the old frame. The resulting lash-up would not have been self propelled and have to be moved about by a locomotive.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 11:35 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help What happened to the rear nameplate casting (in the ID photo, not this one)? Both Burros and Brownhoists had it. On 1/7/2020 10:56 AM, Douglas Harding wrote: Here is a truck mounted crane
with the same cab/body https://www.flickr.com/photos/67384646@N08/8108383830
One comment says the crane is a
Browning .
Doug Harding
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth
Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crane ID Help Friends,
Attached are three photos of an
unnumbered crane owned by the Winchester & Western.
All three shots were outside their shops at Gore,
Virginia, and taken from around 1990s to sometime past
2000 (the color view), but the crane definitely fits our
era.
Any thoughts on the builder and
model. I've looked through my few books with crane
photos and don't find a match. George Elwood's Fallen
Flags site does not have a photo (yet!).
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆 -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Ted;
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My pleasure. How about looking at the G29? Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Schnepf Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification Hi Elden, The general appearance is similar. The G34 seems to have tapering stakes, my car is straight stakes. Thank you for writing the PRR gon book. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353 On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:18:54 PM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote: Gang; The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car. That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet! The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help. Does it look like these? Thanks! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas. A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description. On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote: Hello Everyone, Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations. I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction. I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match. In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola? Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353 -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: 3-3-3 ends
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 06:03 AM, Greg Martin wrote:
Were the details molded on?On the Walthers automobile car kit? Yes, tack boards also. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Gondola identification
Jack Mullen
Ted,
Have you looked at PRR G29 class? True, IL is only 46', but it's 3'8" IH with 11 stake sides. NYC also had 11 stake steel gons, but the ones I'm aware of, 324xxx series, are 50' IL and a foot taller. Most steel, straight-side mill gons seem to have an odd number of panels. Could yours be a composite gon that's been resheathed with diagonal truss members removed? A number of roads had 12 panel composite gons with straight sills, including your Milwaukee, iirc. It would *really* help to have a photo. There are many details that might cue recognition, or tend to support or reject a possible match. A few such as whether the centersill is straight or fishbelly; end sills flush or projecting; spacing of stakes and their shape might be described, but it's a lot easier to recognize a picture of a face than a description. Jack Mullen
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification
Ted Schnepf
Hi Elden, The general appearance is similar. The G34 seems to have tapering stakes, my car is straight stakes. Thank you for writing the PRR gon book. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 12:18:54 PM CST, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Gang; The gondola certainly is an unloved, disparaged, forlorn freight car. That is why I decided to do a book on PRR's fleet! The PRR G34 class was a 46'IL, 11 rib/12 panel straight sidesill, fixed Dread end, riveted gon, but a photo would help. Does it look like these? Thanks! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas. A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description. On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote: Hello Everyone, Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations. I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction. I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match. In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola? Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353 -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Gondola identification
Ted Schnepf
Hi Tim, Thanks for the lead. The O27 matches my car in appearance. Only difference is 12 ribs versus 11 on the model. Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 08:38:54 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas. A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description. On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote: Hello Everyone,
Gondola's are the
forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written
about them and there are so many variations.
I want to ID a mill
type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height
about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish
belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends
are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction.
I started by looking at
PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr
Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct
general length, but has taller sides for use in coal
hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem
to match.
In most freight car
books, gons are very limited in space covered.
Can anyone identify my
roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola?
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120
847=697-5353
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Guys;
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The USRA 46'IL gons also had 12 ribs, not 11, IIRC. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:40 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola identification The B&O had 47'1" IL TOFC flat cars (P-54) rebuilt from O-27 gondolas. A PRR G31D is NOTHING like your description. On 1/6/2020 5:04 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote: Hello Everyone, Gondola's are the forgotten railroad cars. Very little had been written about them and there are so many variations. I want to ID a mill type gon. Its inside length is 47' 6" and inside height about 3' 9". The sides have a straight sill (no fish belly) with 12 panels and 11 side stakes. The fixed ends are dreadnought. The car is riveted construction. I started by looking at PRR books, but no match (a G31D might be close). Mr Kresse's book about C&O gons show one of the correct general length, but has taller sides for use in coal hauling. Thought about a USRA mill gon, but doesn't seem to match. In most freight car books, gons are very limited in space covered. Can anyone identify my roughly 49 foot, 11 side stake, riveted gondola? Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353 -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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