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DL&W flat car with early containers - circa 1931

Brian Rochon
 

From the Erie-Lackawanna site today.  Number on flat car is unclear.  Interesting shot of unloading container onto flatbed semi-trailer.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-11-20/X7692.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-11-20/X7693.jpg

 

Brian Rochon

Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

John Drake
 

Nate,  

According to John Dobyne’s Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953, published by the Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society back in 2001, the Bx-13s, which were not modified with roof extensions, were the first to be rebuilt in steel.  The program ran from 1950-52. The cars were rebuilt with riveted side-panel assemblies and extensions for the ends, which raised the inside height of the cars to 10 foot 6 inches. They were also given new AB brake systems with crosswise-mounted reservoirs, 6/5/5 Youngstown light­weight doors, and either Blaw-Knox or Transco metal running boards. The cars retained their Ajax handbrakes and Dalman I-level trucks. The rebuilt 985 cars retained their Bx-13 classification, but were renumbered into the 32500-33484 number series. These cars remained in service until 1973.

The cars that Prototype Junction are planning produce are the Bx-11 rebuilds.  This rebuild program began in 1956 and continued through 1962. The majority of the class were rebuilt very similar to the Bx-13 class and assigned numbers in the 19000-20438 number series. This series retained their Bx-11 class designation. The cars numbered between 19000 and 19895 were modified from 10 foot 6 inch high Bx-11s in the 210000-210960 series. The cars numbered 19896-20438 were rebuilt from 10 foot high or unmodified Bx-11s in the 124000-125999 series.  The last of the rebuilt Bx-11 cars remained in service until 1976.

The primary differences between the bodies of the Bx-13 rebuilds and the Bx-11 rebuilds were their roofs and ends. Dobyne states that after rebuilding, all the Bx-11 class had rectangular-panel steel roofs which extended to the ends of the car. The extension panel on the ends formed the peak of the end and included a Dreadnaught corrugation which matched a portion of the original recessed Dreadnaught ends. They were also given sill steps with two rungs at each corner of the car.  These rebuilds retained their Dalman 2-level trucks, but the were modified with ASF spring packages. Most cars in this series were equipped with Youngstown doors, but some of the higher numbered cars received Superior 5-panel doors.

Just a comment on these rebuilt cars’ paint scheme.  the Santa Fe adopted its “Ship and Travel” paint scheme with the large herald in 1959, in the middle of this rebuilding program. According to Dobyne, there was a break in production between December 1958 and August 1959, so the first car produced in August, car number 19848, was probably the first car painted in the new scheme.

Hope this helps!

John

Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Donald B. Valentine
 

Rutland modeler Ray Muntz and others put quite a bit of time into restoring that flat car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

James SANDIFER
 

Attached is the Westerfield history on the cars.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

 

Prototype Junction is looking to produce ATSF BX-11, BX-12, and BX-13 models to include rebuilds in the late 1950s. The rebuilds would possibly fit my modeling time frame of 1979 and I'd like to ask the ATSF experts what the road numbers were for these cars after the 1959 rebuild? Were they put in a new class of cars? I recently purchased the ATSF Color Guide book, but it didn't have photos of the 1959 rebuilds. Can someone provide the history of the rebuilds?

Thanks,

Nate

Shorty automobile car - 1913

Thomas Evans
 

Our local Ford dealer has a photo on their wall of the Highland Park, Michigan assembly plant taken in 1913 showing Model-T's being loaded into freight cars that look very European.
They are short all-steel 4-wheel cars with arched roofs.  They have side doors but are being loaded through end doors using narrow portable ramps for each wheel.
Has anyone here ever heard of such cars or have any information about them?

Tom E.

Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

mopacfirst
 

Nate:

I checked the Occhiello "Listing of cars by class" and it shows that 1500 or so of the Bx-11 were rebuilt in 1959/60, and the rebuilds became 16700-16899 and 19000-20550.  I remember a few of these cars,  They were fairly typical rebuilds with body fit over the narrower original frame, but the treatment of the ends was interesting.  Many, or all, got an 'outie' corrugation added above the otherwise 'innie' original Dreadnaught end.

Remind me off-line and I might be able to scan a couple.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Louis Van Winkle
 

I just looked at Google maps to see where Seymour WI is.
I found the old depot.
Guess what is parked beside the depot?


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:41 PM rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 01:25 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society
 ... and this end view of a MDT #15210 reefer.

http://www.seymourhistory.org/gallery/?cat_id=15

Bob Witt

ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Nathan Obermeyer
 

Prototype Junction is looking to produce ATSF BX-11, BX-12, and BX-13 models to include rebuilds in the late 1950s. The rebuilds would possibly fit my modeling time frame of 1979 and I'd like to ask the ATSF experts what the road numbers were for these cars after the 1959 rebuild? Were they put in a new class of cars? I recently purchased the ATSF Color Guide book, but it didn't have photos of the 1959 rebuilds. Can someone provide the history of the rebuilds?

Thanks,

Nate

Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

rwitt_2000
 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 01:25 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society
 ... and this end view of a MDT #15210 reefer.

http://www.seymourhistory.org/gallery/?cat_id=15

Bob Witt

Re: SFRD reefers

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Thank you 

Paul Doggett 


On 10 Jan 2020, at 19:38, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England



Re: SFRD reefers

charles slater
 

Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England



Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society. Anyone need to ship peas?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Tank Car handrail stantions

Michael Gross
 

Precision Scale brass tank car handrail stanchions are part 332110

--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 "screw car"

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim and Dave;

That is correct; they are the 70-ton version of the "Crown" truck, also found on other PRR 70-ton cars of that time, like the H21A and G22. They replaced many arch-bar-equipped as-built, with those trucks based on failures.

PRR had many variants of Crown truck, and rebuilt many to serve other purposes or upgrades: see attached. The cast-in information is very educational.

Elden Gatwood

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Tim:

They look like the PRR 70-ton "Crown" truck, kissing cousin to the USRA 70-t Andrews. Consistent with the CAPY in the pic (and ORER).
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: TANGENT BARBER S-2 100 TON TRUCK

Tangent Scale Models
 

Bill,

The answer is 100-Ton cars that are not relevant for this list.

You will find discussion on the BBFCL ("Baby Boomer Freight Car List") and MFCL ("Modern") lists. 

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Douglas Harding
 

I believe the photo was taken in Des Moines IA. Warfield Pratt & Howell was a grocery warehouse company in Des Moines, Cedar Rapids and Sioux City IA. The banner would indicated the car was loaded in Detroit, so it was a long way from Vermont. Demonstrating that cars, even flat cars, got a long way from home.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 6:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

 

Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 

Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

 

Marty McGuirk

  

On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 

Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Apparently the May 1999 issue of RMC page 106 has an image of another of these RUTLAND flat cars, looks like RUT 2762, from the Dominic Raia collection. I don't know if there was also an article associated with the image, since I scanned only the image and got rid of the paper copy when I moved last.
 
Also, it looks like this same car, RUT 2762, may still possibly survive at the Danbury Railway Museum, see link below.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 

Re: Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Jack. The drawing of the underbody in the instructions has the brake cylinder pointing toward the long end, which is labeled Front (non-cupola) End on the drawing. For freight cars, the brake cylinder points toward the B end, which is what prompted the question. There are other oddities on the drawing such as the transverse mounting of the control valve and placement of the air reservoir on the same side as the brake cylinder with the control valve on the opposite side of the center sill, which is the reverse of most freight cars, though some cars have all three brake components on the same side of the center sill. There are the discrepancies between the drawing and the pilot model photos regarding the orientation of the air reservoir. These cars were built by the CB&Q in the Aurora car shop, so without prototype drawings or some clear underbody photos, I’m not sure how to build the brake system.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 11:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

 

It appears the orientation of the brake cylinder was unchanged.  The cylinder is concealed by the battery boxes, but photos in the Burlington Waycars book of cars with the boxes and wagon wheels removed show the cylinder pointing to the short end.

Jack Mullen

Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 

Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty McGuirk
 

Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  

On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org