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Re: SFRD reefers

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Thank you 

Paul Doggett 


On 10 Jan 2020, at 19:38, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:43 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England




Re: SFRD reefers

charles slater
 

Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:43 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England




Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society. Anyone need to ship peas?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tank Car handrail stantions

Michael Gross
 

Precision Scale brass tank car handrail stanchions are part 332110

--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 "screw car"

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Tim and Dave;

That is correct; they are the 70-ton version of the "Crown" truck, also found on other PRR 70-ton cars of that time, like the H21A and G22. They replaced many arch-bar-equipped as-built, with those trucks based on failures.

PRR had many variants of Crown truck, and rebuilt many to serve other purposes or upgrades: see attached. The cast-in information is very educational.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G25 "screw car"

Tim:

They look like the PRR 70-ton "Crown" truck, kissing cousin to the USRA 70-t Andrews. Consistent with the CAPY in the pic (and ORER).
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: TANGENT BARBER S-2 100 TON TRUCK

Tangent Scale Models
 

Bill,

The answer is 100-Ton cars that are not relevant for this list.

You will find discussion on the BBFCL ("Baby Boomer Freight Car List") and MFCL ("Modern") lists. 

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Douglas Harding
 

I believe the photo was taken in Des Moines IA. Warfield Pratt & Howell was a grocery warehouse company in Des Moines, Cedar Rapids and Sioux City IA. The banner would indicated the car was loaded in Detroit, so it was a long way from Vermont. Demonstrating that cars, even flat cars, got a long way from home.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 6:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; REALSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

 

Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 

Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

 

Marty McGuirk

  

On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Apparently the May 1999 issue of RMC page 106 has an image of another of these RUTLAND flat cars, looks like RUT 2762, from the Dominic Raia collection. I don't know if there was also an article associated with the image, since I scanned only the image and got rid of the paper copy when I moved last.
 
Also, it looks like this same car, RUT 2762, may still possibly survive at the Danbury Railway Museum, see link below.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 


Re: Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Jack. The drawing of the underbody in the instructions has the brake cylinder pointing toward the long end, which is labeled Front (non-cupola) End on the drawing. For freight cars, the brake cylinder points toward the B end, which is what prompted the question. There are other oddities on the drawing such as the transverse mounting of the control valve and placement of the air reservoir on the same side as the brake cylinder with the control valve on the opposite side of the center sill, which is the reverse of most freight cars, though some cars have all three brake components on the same side of the center sill. There are the discrepancies between the drawing and the pilot model photos regarding the orientation of the air reservoir. These cars were built by the CB&Q in the Aurora car shop, so without prototype drawings or some clear underbody photos, I’m not sure how to build the brake system.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 11:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

 

It appears the orientation of the brake cylinder was unchanged.  The cylinder is concealed by the battery boxes, but photos in the Burlington Waycars book of cars with the boxes and wagon wheels removed show the cylinder pointing to the short end.

Jack Mullen


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty McGuirk
 

Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car. 
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
  

On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


 


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Eric Hansmann
 

Neat photo! The weigh date stencil looks like 3   17.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On January 9, 2020 at 8:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.


Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



 



Re: Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

Jack Mullen
 

It appears the orientation of the brake cylinder was unchanged.  The cylinder is concealed by the battery boxes, but photos in the Burlington Waycars book of cars with the boxes and wagon wheels removed show the cylinder pointing to the short end.

Jack Mullen


SEEKING A SUNSHINE KIT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I am looking for a Sinshine kit for a St Louis San Francisco stock car in the 47800 series.  This car was a topic in this list about a month ago.  Hopefullysomeone has this kit in their "Probably Will Never Biild " stash (which we all have).

Bill Pardie


Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Douglas Harding
 

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


TANGENT BARBER S-2 100 TON TRUCK

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


What cars used these trucks?

Bill Pardie




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Re: PRR X31B with staging for station wagon bodies

Doug MacLeod
 


Re: Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

Gary Roe
 

Nelson,

I can't speak for the CB&Q; but Wabash cars had the brake cylinder pointing toward the short (cupola) end.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 7:34:51 PM CST, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


I’m working on two waycars (Burlington usage), and I need to know which end is considered the A and B end where the cupola is offset from center. Specifically, I’m building two CB&Q NE-10 steel waycars as modified in 1945 by blanking out one window, moving the toilet, and adding a truck generator, battery box, wagon wheel antenna. These cars were updated with Ajax power hand brakes at the same time. My question has to do with the orientation of the brake cylinder, control valve, and air reservoir, i.e. does the brake cylinder point toward the long end or the short (cupola) end.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Caboose A vs. B End Orientation Question

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m working on two waycars (Burlington usage), and I need to know which end is considered the A and B end where the cupola is offset from center. Specifically, I’m building two CB&Q NE-10 steel waycars as modified in 1945 by blanking out one window, moving the toilet, and adding a truck generator, battery box, wagon wheel antenna. These cars were updated with Ajax power hand brakes at the same time. My question has to do with the orientation of the brake cylinder, control valve, and air reservoir, i.e. does the brake cylinder point toward the long end or the short (cupola) end.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Sunshine Kits wanted

lrkdbn
 

Dear Sir

Please send me your Email so I can contact you re these kits.
Laurance King
<lrkdbn@...>

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