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Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Walt,

I have an October 1958 ORER. Rutland still had 26 of the 2700-series in revenue service, and I don't know how many in company service. 

The Green Mountain Railroad dates from 1964, so I have no information about it (though some photos of recent vintage). Since this line was owned by Nelson Blount, also the founder of Steamtown in its original incarnation, there is no wonder how Rutland 2777 ended up in the modern Steamtown museum collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 1:50 PM Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Unfortunately, there was no article associated with the photo. It was contained in an ad for a Railworks brass car model. I may do the Athearn kitbash but would need to know if it was a Green Mountain Ry. or a Rutland car in 1959. Can anyone help with this?
TIA Walt

In a message dated 1/10/2020 10:49:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, claus@... writes:

Hi List Members,

Apparently the May 1999 issue of RMC page 106 has an image of another of these RUTLAND flat cars, looks like RUT 2762, from the Dominic Raia collection. I don't know if there was also an article associated with the image, since I scanned only the image and got rid of the paper copy when I moved last.

Also, it looks like this same car, RUT 2762, may still possibly survive at the Danbury Railway Museum, see link below.


Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car.
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
 
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org




 
Re: NYC double door raised roof boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

The second photo also captures a rare view of a WP-owned PFE reefer, 50556. 

Did you all take note the odd wale in the middle of the D&RGW car's end? It appears to be two sections pieced together, but with a matching additional half-indent in each. I've never seen an end like this before.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:21 AM David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here's another raised-roof box.

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-Tnq2XQp/A

David Thompson
Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Walter Cox
 

Thanks to Google I just found that Rutland would have been correct into 1963. I should have thought of Google sooner but didn't think of the question until I was typing the rest of my reply. Sorry about that.
Walt

In a message dated 1/11/2020 1:50:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, WaltGCox@... writes:

Unfortunately, there was no article associated with the photo. It was contained in an ad for a Railworks brass car model. I may do the Athearn kitbash but would need to know if it was a Green Mountain Ry. or a Rutland car in 1959. Can anyone help with this?
TIA Walt

In a message dated 1/10/2020 10:49:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, claus@... writes:

Hi List Members,

Apparently the May 1999 issue of RMC page 106 has an image of another of these RUTLAND flat cars, looks like RUT 2762, from the Dominic Raia collection. I don't know if there was also an article associated with the image, since I scanned only the image and got rid of the paper copy when I moved last.

Also, it looks like this same car, RUT 2762, may still possibly survive at the Danbury Railway Museum, see link below.


Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car.
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk

On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org




 
Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Andy Laurent
 

That set in the second link also has a nice shot of GB&W 1306, 36' double sheathed boxcar.

Andy
Wisconsin
Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Walter Cox
 

Unfortunately, there was no article associated with the photo. It was contained in an ad for a Railworks brass car model. I may do the Athearn kitbash but would need to know if it was a Green Mountain Ry. or a Rutland car in 1959. Can anyone help with this?
TIA Walt

In a message dated 1/10/2020 10:49:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, claus@... writes:

Hi List Members,

Apparently the May 1999 issue of RMC page 106 has an image of another of these RUTLAND flat cars, looks like RUT 2762, from the Dominic Raia collection. I don't know if there was also an article associated with the image, since I scanned only the image and got rid of the paper copy when I moved last.

Also, it looks like this same car, RUT 2762, may still possibly survive at the Danbury Railway Museum, see link below.


Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Marty and Friends,

The article was indeed by Richard Hendrickson, and is found in the August 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. Richard said this was the only close prototype he could find for the Athearn 40' flatcar, due to it having 11 stake pockets on each side.

John Nehrich used the same flatcar to build flat cars and gondolas for the NEB&W (which is almost a prototype line in its own right). His gondolas were based on Rutland 2700-series flats rebuilt as gondolas 4500-4505. His article in the the January 1986 MODEL RAILROADER.

Restored Rutland flat car 2777 is at Steamtown.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
Interesting shot. I don't have the article, but back in the early days of prototype rolling stock modeling (John Nehrich or perhaps even Richard?) did an article on reworking an Athearn flat to more closely resemble the Rutland car.
Paul Dolkos had a car based on this article (built for him by Tom Underwood) on his old B&M layout that I acquired a few years ago (see http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/04/home-for-orphans.html) when Paul lost the true faith and started modeling Baltimore....He felt a Rutland flat would have been out of place in Baltimore ... <g>

Marty McGuirk
 
On January 9, 2020 at 10:09 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Here is an interesting image. Shows Rutland 2700 flatcar with two short Freuhauf trailers, being delivered in Des Moines IA. I don’t have a date, but would say circa 1920.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org




 
NYC double door raised roof boxcar

David
 

Re: DL&W flat car with early containers - circa 1931

Dave Parker
 

Great shots Brian.  Thanks.

Car number is 16351 I believe.  My 1930 ORER has the series as 16350-16399 (50 cars).
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
NYC double door raised roof boxcar

gary laakso
 

It appears that the car is from Lot 685-B, 63000-63149, if my reading of the NYC Freight Car Equipment diagrams is correct:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1946-Aug-Echo-Ogden-Salt-Lake/i-4XjRqkR/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

G.J. Irwin
 

Seymour also had at least one leased refrigerator car from the Northern Refrigerator Car Company.  It's pictured on Page 105 of the book "Billboard Refrigerator Cars."  Not surprisingly, the paint scheme is quite different from the car pictured above.  It was assigned to Seymour Canning in 1929 according to the caption.

Nice find on that photo!

George Irwin
DL&W flat car with early containers - circa 1931

Brian Rochon
 

From the Erie-Lackawanna site today.  Number on flat car is unclear.  Interesting shot of unloading container onto flatbed semi-trailer.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-11-20/X7692.jpg

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-11-20/X7693.jpg

 

Brian Rochon
Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

John Drake
 

Nate,  

According to John Dobyne’s Santa Fe Boxcars 1869-1953, published by the Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society back in 2001, the Bx-13s, which were not modified with roof extensions, were the first to be rebuilt in steel.  The program ran from 1950-52. The cars were rebuilt with riveted side-panel assemblies and extensions for the ends, which raised the inside height of the cars to 10 foot 6 inches. They were also given new AB brake systems with crosswise-mounted reservoirs, 6/5/5 Youngstown light­weight doors, and either Blaw-Knox or Transco metal running boards. The cars retained their Ajax handbrakes and Dalman I-level trucks. The rebuilt 985 cars retained their Bx-13 classification, but were renumbered into the 32500-33484 number series. These cars remained in service until 1973.

The cars that Prototype Junction are planning produce are the Bx-11 rebuilds.  This rebuild program began in 1956 and continued through 1962. The majority of the class were rebuilt very similar to the Bx-13 class and assigned numbers in the 19000-20438 number series. This series retained their Bx-11 class designation. The cars numbered between 19000 and 19895 were modified from 10 foot 6 inch high Bx-11s in the 210000-210960 series. The cars numbered 19896-20438 were rebuilt from 10 foot high or unmodified Bx-11s in the 124000-125999 series.  The last of the rebuilt Bx-11 cars remained in service until 1976.

The primary differences between the bodies of the Bx-13 rebuilds and the Bx-11 rebuilds were their roofs and ends. Dobyne states that after rebuilding, all the Bx-11 class had rectangular-panel steel roofs which extended to the ends of the car. The extension panel on the ends formed the peak of the end and included a Dreadnaught corrugation which matched a portion of the original recessed Dreadnaught ends. They were also given sill steps with two rungs at each corner of the car.  These rebuilds retained their Dalman 2-level trucks, but the were modified with ASF spring packages. Most cars in this series were equipped with Youngstown doors, but some of the higher numbered cars received Superior 5-panel doors.

Just a comment on these rebuilt cars’ paint scheme.  the Santa Fe adopted its “Ship and Travel” paint scheme with the large herald in 1959, in the middle of this rebuilding program. According to Dobyne, there was a break in production between December 1958 and August 1959, so the first car produced in August, car number 19848, was probably the first car painted in the new scheme.

Hope this helps!

John
Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Rutland modeler Ray Muntz and others put quite a bit of time into restoring that flat car.

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Steve SANDIFER
 

Attached is the Westerfield history on the cars.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 6:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

 

Prototype Junction is looking to produce ATSF BX-11, BX-12, and BX-13 models to include rebuilds in the late 1950s. The rebuilds would possibly fit my modeling time frame of 1979 and I'd like to ask the ATSF experts what the road numbers were for these cars after the 1959 rebuild? Were they put in a new class of cars? I recently purchased the ATSF Color Guide book, but it didn't have photos of the 1959 rebuilds. Can someone provide the history of the rebuilds?

Thanks,

Nate
Shorty automobile car - 1913

Thomas Evans
 

Our local Ford dealer has a photo on their wall of the Highland Park, Michigan assembly plant taken in 1913 showing Model-T's being loaded into freight cars that look very European.
They are short all-steel 4-wheel cars with arched roofs.  They have side doors but are being loaded through end doors using narrow portable ramps for each wheel.
Has anyone here ever heard of such cars or have any information about them?

Tom E.
Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

mopacfirst
 

Nate:

I checked the Occhiello "Listing of cars by class" and it shows that 1500 or so of the Bx-11 were rebuilt in 1959/60, and the rebuilds became 16700-16899 and 19000-20550.  I remember a few of these cars,  They were fairly typical rebuilds with body fit over the narrower original frame, but the treatment of the ends was interesting.  Many, or all, got an 'outie' corrugation added above the otherwise 'innie' original Dreadnaught end.

Remind me off-line and I might be able to scan a couple.

Ron Merrick
Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

Louis Van Winkle
 

I just looked at Google maps to see where Seymour WI is.
I found the old depot.
Guess what is parked beside the depot?


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:41 PM rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 01:25 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society
 ... and this end view of a MDT #15210 reefer.

http://www.seymourhistory.org/gallery/?cat_id=15

Bob Witt

ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Nathan Obermeyer
 

Prototype Junction is looking to produce ATSF BX-11, BX-12, and BX-13 models to include rebuilds in the late 1950s. The rebuilds would possibly fit my modeling time frame of 1979 and I'd like to ask the ATSF experts what the road numbers were for these cars after the 1959 rebuild? Were they put in a new class of cars? I recently purchased the ATSF Color Guide book, but it didn't have photos of the 1959 rebuilds. Can someone provide the history of the rebuilds?

Thanks,

Nate
Re: Photo: Reefer WRX 11458 "Seymour Canning Co."

rwitt_2000
 

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 01:25 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Undated photo from the Seymour, Wisconsin, Historical Society
 ... and this end view of a MDT #15210 reefer.

http://www.seymourhistory.org/gallery/?cat_id=15

Bob Witt
Re: SFRD reefers

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

Thank you 

Paul Doggett 


On 10 Jan 2020, at 19:38, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:


Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:43 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England



Re: SFRD reefers

charles slater
 

Paul it was 1953.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:43 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers
 
Hi

Could someone tell me when SFRD stopped painting the ironwork ladders, grabs etc on their reefers black.
Paul Doggett.  England



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