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Reboxx 36 in. Wheel Chart

Nelson Moyer
 

I had a request to post the Reboxx 36 in. Wheel Application Chart, so here it is.

 

Nelson Moyer


My WWII loads clinic from Prototype Rails 2020, Cocoa Beach

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I have been asked to post my clinic from Cocoa Beach, Prototype Rails 2020 on WWII era military loads. I have placed it and the associated handout in a Google Drive that is accessible to all. I ask that you honor the intent of this which is exclusively for personal use and not for redistribution. Indeed, please do NOT send the link to these files to anyone outside of this group, but instead refer them to me and I will provide a link.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





Re: Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

AC&F Type 11, 10,000 gallon tank car. 

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Undated photo from the Decatur Herald & Review:

https://tinyurl.com/taxs6pc


Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Undated photo from the Decatur Herald & Review:

https://tinyurl.com/taxs6pc

There are a number of other general railroad photos on the page that included the above photo:

https://tinyurl.com/yx6onejn

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Marty McGuirk
 

With the obvious exception of the number of stake pockets, the GT car does look very similar to Central Vermont 4287 ( http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2018/08/wordless-wednesday-199.html) which is on display in Willimantic. 


On January 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



 


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Eric Hansmann
 

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Don,

Your recollections are very interesting. I cannot agree or disagree with your assessment of the current Steamtown musuem. I do know that it has been something of a political football in recent years, and nearly faced closure. I know nothing of the New York location you mentioned, but do think the Scranton site while Scranton is hardly a tourist mecca) has certain access advantages, being on a major N/S freeway, plus it has the advantage of a very nice piece of track for their trains to play on.

When we visited Steamtown a few years back, my sweetheart and I stayed in the Radisson Lackawanna Station Hotel. Cushy and expensive, but definitely a class act, and a worthy reuse of a noble old building.  

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth Groff wrote:

Walt,

I have an October 1958 ORER. Rutland still had 26 of the 2700-series in revenue service, and I don't know how many in company service. 

The Green Mountain Railroad dates from 1964, so I have no information about it (though some photos of recent vintage). Since this line was 
owned by Nelson Blount, also the founder of Steamtown in its original incarnation, there is no wonder how Rutland 2777 ended up in the 
modern Steamtown museum collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


    This is absolutely correct Garth. The only thing I don't recall, and can't find my roster to check, is how many of the #2700 flats the GMRC 
ended up with as I believe the Vermont Rwy. got a few as well. The GMRC also got at least one of the older, straight side sill Rutland flat cars.
I knew Nelson Blount and drove within 2 miles of his place on my way home in August of 1967 when he was killed. The GMRC and Steamtown
were totally separated  shortly thereafter with Robert W. Adams heading up the GMRC employee group that acquired the railroad from Ne;son's
estate. Over the years I also worked for the GMRC as a relief passenger trainman, later as relief fireman for Steamtown for which later still I 
served as the insurance agent. The falling out that occurred between the State of Vermont and Steamtown in the late 1970's is a shame from
which I do not feel Steamtown has ever recovered, nor have I been at all impressed by the many losses and lack of very much real progress 
since it was moved and became the Scranton Scrapyard. Others may view it differently but that's the way I see it. If it was going to move I 
believe strongly that the Kingston, NY choice also contemplated would have been a far better choice in the long run.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bob. I also received the chart directly, and I should have notified the group to save other’s the trouble.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

 

Here you go, Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:59 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

 

At one time, Reboxx had wheel application charts on their web page. For some reason, I downloaded the chart for 36 in. wheels but not the chart for 33 in. wheels. I’ll be eternally grateful if someone would sent the pdf of the 33 in. wheel chart.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Jack and Friends,

Since we can't see a car number or more of the side, an exact ID is impossible, but I can come close.

Originally these were WP 14001-14100, built in 1923 by Mt. Vernon. See attached builder's photo.

In 1936 50 were rebuilt as steel double-door auto cars, including auto racks, renumbered 19001-19050. Racks were later removed at an unspecified date and they became general boxcars. I don't know if the left-hand doors were bolted or welded shut.

In 1938 32 were rebuilt as steel single-door boxcars renumbered 14301-14332.

In 1941 15 more single-door boxcars were added as 14501-14514.

The three missing cars were probably lost to wrecks.

To confuse matters somewhat, WP also had Standard Steel build 300 nearly identical wood-sided auto cars in 1924 with Murphy ends numbered 14101-14300. These went through a similar conversion process to single-door boxcars. Most of both groups were scrapped by the late 1950s. Understandably, any photos of these cars are pretty rare, especially the ones with Hutchins ends, though Will Whittaker did manage to snap a few shots.

Sunshine offered both the single-door cars with both Hutchins and Murphy ends.  

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
Unusual  end. I  don't think I've seen one like this before.
There are at least 5 sections, perhaps 6, riveted together.
Each piece has one rectangular rib.  What is it?

Too bad more of the car isn't shown. Can anyone i.d. it?

Jack Mullen


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

Disregard my previous post. Hutchins of course, with height extended with a two rib Murphy section. 
I know better and my only excuse is that I hadn't had coffee yet.   (Face red)
Jack


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

gary laakso
 

Yes, Hutchins ends.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Riverboy via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WP Rebuilt Boxcar

 

What type of end is that? Is it a Hutchins? Please pardon my ignorance if I am way off! LOL!

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 09:20:17 AM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-7hsPfxj/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Thomas
 

If you look in look in Santa Fe Freight in Color volume one by Preist and Chenoweth you will find photos of both the BX-11 and BX-12 class cars with raised roofs into the 70's.
 Tom Thompson


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

Unusual  end. I  don't think I've seen one like this before.
There are at least 5 sections, perhaps 6, riveted together.
Each piece has one rectangular rib.  What is it?

Too bad more of the car isn't shown. Can anyone i.d. it?

Jack Mullen


Re: D&RGW boxcar end

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 01:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
No, I don't think we are seeing the same thing. I'm not talking about the end as a whole, just what appears to be an extra indent on both sides of the joint to the left of the tack board.
Garth,

The fourth, fifth, and sixth photos down in this paper explains it all:

https://www.ttnut.com/resources/dreadnaught-ends-richard-hendrickson/8959

Dennis


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Riverboy
 

What type of end is that? Is it a Hutchins? Please pardon my ignorance if I am way off! LOL!

Tod C Dwyer

On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 09:20:17 AM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-7hsPfxj/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


WP Rebuilt Boxcar

gary laakso
 

Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-7hsPfxj/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:

Walt,

I have an October 1958 ORER. Rutland still had 26 of the 2700-series in revenue service, and I don't know how many in company service. 

The Green Mountain Railroad dates from 1964, so I have no information about it (though some photos of recent vintage). Since this line was 
owned by Nelson Blount, also the founder of Steamtown in its original incarnation, there is no wonder how Rutland 2777 ended up in the 
modern Steamtown museum collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


    This is absolutely correct Garth. The only thing I don't recall, and can't find my roster to check, is how many of the #2700 flats the GMRC 
ended up with as I believe the Vermont Rwy. got a few as well. The GMRC also got at least one of the older, straight side sill Rutland flat cars.
I knew Nelson Blount and drove within 2 miles of his place on my way home in August of 1967 when he was killed. The GMRC and Steamtown
were totally separated  shortly thereafter with Robert W. Adams heading up the GMRC employee group that acquired the railroad from Ne;son's
estate. Over the years I also worked for the GMRC as a relief passenger trainman, later as relief fireman for Steamtown for which later still I 
served as the insurance agent. The falling out that occurred between the State of Vermont and Steamtown in the late 1970's is a shame from
which I do not feel Steamtown has ever recovered, nor have I been at all impressed by the many losses and lack of very much real progress 
since it was moved and became the Scranton Scrapyard. Others may view it differently but that's the way I see it. If it was going to move I 
believe strongly that the Kingston, NY choice also contemplated would have been a far better choice in the long run.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: D&RGW boxcar end

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy,

No, I don't think we are seeing the same thing. I'm not talking about the end as a whole, just what appears to be an extra indent on both sides of the joint to the left of the tack board.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:43 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
If what I am seeing is what you have commented on, then we are both looking at an early Dreadnaught stamped steel end which used "indented" (or inverted; I have heard both terms used in describing this end) stampings. The joint section had an obstacle rolled flat to allow riveting. This style of end was done quite well in my opinion from Al Westerfield in his ATSF box cars. This same style of end was used in the Pullman Co. built 50' single sheathed auto cars for the WP which MDC did several years ago in the pre-Tahoe Model Works era. There are 100's of examples of this style of end.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 11:31:27 AM PST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Friends,

The second photo also captures a rare view of a WP-owned PFE reefer, 50556. 

Did you all take note the odd wale in the middle of the D&RGW car's end? It appears to be two sections pieced together, but with a matching additional half-indent in each. I've never seen an end like this before.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:21 AM David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here's another raised-roof box.

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-Tnq2XQp/A

David Thompson


West Rail Kits Available

Bob Chaparro
 

West Rail Kits Available

I stopped by Reed's Hobby Shop (San Diego, CA, area) today and noticed they had two West Rail kits for sale (forgot to record the price, sorry). I know some of you would be interested.

Both kits are stock number R-122, ART steel body reefers appropriate for the 26000-26299 series from 1946 forward.

Here is the contact information:

Reed's Hobby Shop

8039 La Mesa Blvd,

La Mesa CA 91942

619-464-1672

E-Mail: reeds@... [reeds AT abac DOT com]

http://www.reeds-hobbies.com/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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